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 Anyone know about short cycles?
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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Anyone know about short cycles? Will I gain anything from doing Primo Depot and Test Prop in a 4 to 5 week cycle...Im looking for about ten pounds of muscle... It has to be short because of testing for AS to make sure I'll be Clean in September...     | ||
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Olympian 
Posts: 1588 |
yes you well gain something....how much you takin ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 56 |
Im not sure on a cycle that short...Any suggestions...Im running around 210 right now...5'11...Want to get to 225lbs... I want to keep my gains as well though...So should I use Clomid with this short of a cycle... | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1588 |
well there are 2 weeks cycles 3 weeks cycles and 4 week cycles...like 2 weeks on 2-3 weeks off.... ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 56 |
I have only 4 weeks to juice... And thats it...I Have primo depot and test prop...How much should I use for the four weeks to get the most gains? thanks Im really not sure... | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1588 |
well 400mgs of primo.and 200mgs of prop eod....or take 100mgs ed.or eod....and some people would take 600mgs of primo....take that much if you have it...or if you like too. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 56 |
thanks...Should I use Clomid | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1588 |
well if you think you need it ya after the cycle..... ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 548 |
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Yes you should use clomid after your short cycle. The test prop will shut you down within 2 weeks. If you do not use the Clomid you will lose some of your gainz..heh heh ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 161 |
quote: Not necessarily. The whole idea behind the short cycle is to keep the natural test from shutting down. You can take the clomid as a precaution, but you shouldn't need it. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 548 |
quote: SMS, Not sure where you get your info mine comes from medline and other sources...Check out these studies then tell him he will not need Clomid. I understand the whole idea about short cycles I have researched this topic to the ground. These studies do not support them. ------------------ [This message has been edited by DSPO (edited April 15, 2001).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 514 |
They whole point of long cycles is that ANY outside test shuts your nat production down. You build up a bunch on the long cycle...lose some of it when you are done until your natural production is up and things level off. With short cycles you lose the same amount you gain. The only short cycles that might make sense | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 161 |
I read the U. of Iowa study, and what I gathered, it took aproximately 2 weeks to suppress LH and FSH levels at the 500mg/week dose. If you can show me where levels have been inhibited at less than 2 weeks, show me please. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 548 |
quote: Re-read the abstract and who said less than 2 weeks please do not misquote me, I said within 2 weeks--and no your quote is wrong it was 250 - 500 mg that caused suppression within 2 weeks and 100 caused it at 5-6 weeks. Did you read the Medline abstract... P.S. I think that gainz suggested 100-200mg of prop EOD that is 400-800mg and IAMFITZY said he was looking to do a 4-5 week cycle. Not sure I know what you are arguing. The fact is that he needs to use clomid. ------------------ [This message has been edited by DSPO (edited April 16, 2001).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 161 |
Sorry, I thought we were on the same page. I assumed that when he said short cycle, 2 weeks immediately popped into my head. I was arguing the point that he should not need clomid on a 2 week cycle. The other article was a little advanced for me. I only have 2 semesters of college chemistry under my belt ) | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 548 |
No problem young blood... I agree that the Medline article is deep shit. Regarding need to use clomid on 2-week cycles, Drexx who is the king of short cycles always uses Clomid at the end. A few guys that I know have done short cycles and have had HPTA tested before and after their cycles. Each guy was suppressed...so as stated before please use clomid. D | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 56 |
thank you very much for your well needed info... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 514 |
SMS you are misreading that study anyway. The authors did weekly injections and then tracked the amount of time for the suppression to occur. Just because it takes two weeks for the natural test suppression mechanism to kick in...probably because of natural LH reserves or something similar..you can't assume that a heavy two week cycle wont suppress the HPT axis. One injection of any long lasting test ester will stay in your body for weeks. Perhaps you can conclude that this single injection constitutes a 30 second cycle and therefore wont affect the body's natural production. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 514 |
Also, one more thing, Clomid is used to counter the test suppression caused by too much estrogen. I think that is the LHRH mechanism from the study. If this is caused by too much estrogen which is caused by aromatizing test, it makes a lot of sense that the suppression occurs after a long delay. Let me reiterate, though, don't confuse the delay time with the length of cycle after which suppression will occur. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 161 |
quote: Of course you wouldn't want to use a test with a long-acting ester. You would use prop, or something else with a short half life. Also, there's a difference between LH inhibition, and completely shutting down. Levels will most likely take a hit in 2 weeks, but they should be able to easily rebound when the AS is discontinued. I guess I'm debating degree of supression. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 88 |
I think injectable primo is in your system for a couple months if you are worried about a drug test. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 56 |
Would I get good gains from just Test  rop at 400mgs a week for 6weeks... My Goal is Ten Pounds of Muscle after Im of the Gear... Another problem I have is that Clomiphene- (clomid is bained as well) I have no Idea how long it may stay in my body for either? Would Trib in high doses be enough to kick my balls back into gear to keep my gains or Something else that might be legal for me or something out super quick? thanks Fitzy... |
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posted April 15, 2001 03:31 PM