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 Whats the best mass cycle using orals only?
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 24 |
A friend of mine had a VERY bad needle experience, and will never shoot again. He asked me what I thought the best "oral only" mass cycle would be. I told him a "just dbol" cycle would definatley add some size, but I figured I throw it out to you guys ... any orals stack well with dbol ? Thoughts ???    | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 719 |
quote: ASK HIM IF HE WANTS A LIVER. AN ORAL ONLY CYCLE WOULDNT WORK, HE WILL END-UP LOOSING EVERYTHING AFTERWARDS. TELL HIM TO FORGET IT. ------------------ I am Conan, the Ironbarbarian back from the deep dark hell! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 119 |
He's obviously gonnna do an oral cycle... so why not be constructive and put your "ideal" mass cycle using orals only? No point just saying: "don't do it"! ------------------  | ||
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Olympian 
Posts: 1652 |
Sorry IronBarbarian but that is just blatantly not true. Best oral stack for mass: Dball/winny hands down. Yields keepable gains. Length: Can be used for 8-12 weeks. Dball: 30-50mg/day Winny: 50mg/day(A MUST) Forget about A-bombs. All they do is make you look like a blowfish. Sure they add strength. But what good is strength of you don't grow at all and eventually lose all the strength when you deflate. Godspeed | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 938 |
Hehe..You are big on those oral cycles aren't ya Fonz.  What gains would he see from cycle? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 146 |
FONZ WHAT ABOUT ANAVARS? D-BOL 30-50MGS A-DAY 8WEEKS ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 25 |
I would have to agree with IronBarbarian. Stacking orals is just to hard on the liver. If he wants to put on mass, just do some d-bol. Maybe when he gets ready to come off of that, he could throw in some Winny, to keep some gains. But taking more than one oral at a time is risky. You might start to hear the girls telling you how strangely beautiful your yellow eyes are! | ||
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Mutant   
Posts: 3311 |
quote: Some of your posts impress me, this is one of those. If he decides he doesnt want to inject because of one poor experience then he should not even be doing steroids. People nowadays! Yeah do an anadrol, dbol, winny cycle, grow and grow big and enjoy it while it and your body lasts. If he is your friend then be a friend and inject for him. ------------------ E2's Steroid Pictures Pictures of many different drugs. AJC' Steroid Profiles Profiles of many different steroids 2Thick's Injection Procedures Site Complete with Pictures and Diagrams! Finaplix by Mr H A complete guide to Fina | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 146 |
IF ALL I HAD WAS ORALS IT WOULD BE DBOL,WINNY,AND MAYBEE SOME HALO... ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 103 |
If your not gonna inject..........don't juice! ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 24 |
IronBarbarian - IronGame : Lets not worry about why he won't shoot anymore (lets just say I don't blame him). But are you seriously saying ONE oral cycle of dbol/winny or dbol/primo for 8 weeks is a no-no for the liver ? Do you recommend against orals period ? | ||
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Mutant
Posts: 3311 |
quote: Are you seriously telling me he is going to do one cycle and then never use again? He needs to get over his fear of needles. We have all had our fears and things go wrong but with the correct injection technique almost nothing can go wrong. Also to mention oral primo is about as effective as andro suppliments if not less effective. I know someone who was using 75mgs/day (525mgs/wk) and get next to nothing on it. 100mgs of injectable primo would have left him much happier. Now bring the cost in to the puzzle.
quote: No just when people make excuses because they fear of needles, he he he An oral should be a substitute in every stack not the complete means. First test as a base IMO only A 6 week cycle of anavar at 40-50mgs/day and winny or dbol at 30mgs/day. Liver protectants and water is the way to go. Drink it like there is no tomorrow. Peace [This message has been edited by The_Iron_Game (edited April 15, 2001).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 698 |
Not flame intended, but if your friend doesent have the guts to inject, he won�t have the guts to train intensily enough, so he won�t grow anyway. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2245 |
Orals are used to augment a cycle not build one out of. It's crazy to think you can build a safe effect cycle out of winny tabs, dbol and anavar. You will get hard and strong on that but not much bigger, with the exception of the water you get from dbol. Unless you go with 80mg/day of the anavar and 100mg/day of winny. Now if he willing to shell out that kind of coin to do a cycle then God Bless him let him have his orals cycle. Most of what you gain on dbol will be gone in 3 months after you stop so you can leave that out. "Dball/winny hands down. Yields keepable gains. Length: Can be used for 8-12 weeks." What kind of "keepable gains" are you expecting him to get from this? ------------------ | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1652 |
Why on earth are you guys so scared of oral stacks??? I should write an article on how we bodybuilders have been brainwashed to thinking 17-aa steroids will literally fry your liver in 1-2 cycles. THIS IS SIMPLY JUST NOT TRUE!!!! I'm obviously not going to recommend a quadruple 17-aa stack(which I have done after 3 years experience with orals)to a newbie, but a dbol/winny stack is a VERY good oral newbie cycle. Ulter&IG, you WILL gain 1.0-1.5lbs/week on this stack. If taken for the recommended 8-12 weeks you should be able put on 10-15lbs of good solid muscle. You could furthermore add anavar post-cycle to solidify gains even further but thats up to you. I understand where your friend is coming from as I had a similiar phobia towards needles due to the fact I had one stuck 1.5" into my tricep from a botched meningitis shot when I was 12. (I flexed my arm by accident while the doctor was administering the inection, and the needle broke off. My arm was really red/puffy for 2 weeks after that. They had to take the damn thing out with pliers. So you can imagine my dislike for needles. Well, got over it but it took me 10 years.) Stick with Dball/winny at my specified dosages. Also possible is Dball/Anavar. Always use dball as a base. Good luck. I'm sure I'll get pounded on for recommending an all-oral stack, but hey, THEY DO WORK!! Just make sure to drink plenty of water and take your liver protectants and your liver will be fine. Godspeed | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 214 |
Ok sounds like this guy wont inject period. It realy doesnt matter why he wont. No he wont get the same results with only orals but he will , Or can get some results. Is money a factor? If not get an alot of anavar and go with 60 mg/day for 8 weeks. If money is a factor he can try dbol at 40 mg/day for 4 weeks followed by winny at 50 mg/day for 4 weeks. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 759 |
I am curious to what kind of "bad" experience he had-popping a vein?-a little messy but no where near the end of the world and certainly does not justify liver damage from abuse of c-17's. ------------------ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2245 |
I know you have done oral stacks Fonz. I have to. I am not telling this guy that he can't expect to get respectable gains that he can keep as conjecture. I have done it. More than once and I never had anything I gained a year later no matter how hard I trained. That was why I gave in and started buying injectables. Now 18 years later I will still tell whoever asks me the same thing I posted ORALS ARE TO AUGMENT A CYCLE NOT TO BUILD ONE WITH. Maybe orals work better on that side of the pond. ------------------ | ||
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Olympian
Posts: 1652 |
quote: Ok, no more smart Alec responses Injectables are superior to orals but orals do yield gains. Guys, he said his friend WILL NOT use orals quite forcibly. So why are you guys not helping him instead of trying to convince him to re-start injectables. (which he obviously doesn't want to do)????? Godspeed | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 24 |
-Thanks to Fonz and those providing USEFULL info. I guess I should've specified why he won't shoot ANYMORE ...(I didn't think I would have too) In a nut-shell, he kelpt using the same injection site (upper right cheek) even when things started getting funky. (Stupid - I know) He thought the pain and hardning of the surrounding skin was all part of the game. At least until his doc carved an apple sized chuck out of ass. The scar is very nasty and very permanant, so he doesn't want to shoot anymore, but he doesn't want to stop juicing all together. So if you have some advice on stacking orals, lets hear it. If you don't, shut the fuck up ... | ||
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Mutant
Posts: 3311 |
quote: You arrogant, rude little shit | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 24 |
quote: A. I'm not little. (I was just getting tired of the "If you're afraid to shoot than don't juice at all" replies ...) | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 719 |
FROM READING THE REPLIES, I CAN TELL WHO REALLY WANTS TO BE BIG HERE. SOME OF YOU GUYS WHO LIKE ORALS MAY BE HUGE MOTHERFUCKERS, BUT YOU COULD BE BIGGER IF YOU LOST THAT FEAR FOR NEEDLES, BELIEVE ME.. AAA SOOO BIG AND SCARED OF A TINNY INSECT BITE? C'MON GUYS GIME A BREAK. MADDOG67: IN RELATION TO YOUR LATER POST, I DO AGREE WITH THE USE OF ORALS, BUT I BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE STACKED WITH AN INJECTABLE. AND EVEN IF FONZ TELLS YOU ITS SAFE TO DO IT, MAN, I TELL YOU, YOUR FRIEND CAN GET REALLY FUCKED UP IN THE LIVER JUST BY DOING AN ORAL CYCLE. BELIEVE ME, THOSE LIVER PROTECTANTS DO FAIL SOMETIMES BELIEVE ME, YOU DONT WANT TO FUCK THAT LIVER AS IT CANT BE CURED. DONT TAKE THE CHANCE MY FRIEND, AND...DONT BELIEVE WHAT EVERYONE SAYS. GOOD LUCK. ------------------ I am Conan, the Ironbarbarian back from the deep dark hell! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 414 |
So........ I think it's pretty obivious who this question is for. He doesn't have a friend, it is him and he is the one afraid of needles. MadDogg (two G's, congratulations hommie) drop the skirt and start injecting. I know several people who have had to have abcesses taken out, but are they little pussies??? No! they went back to injecting the next day. Better tell your friend, or i mean yourself that using an injectable + orals will be a hell of a lot better then just an oral cycle. ------------------ * Infinate dreams, I can't deny them. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 414 |
Sounds like your friend didn't know what he was doing the first time. If he was unprepared, then I feel NO sympathy for his situation. Fuckups remain personal responsibility, so he should learn from that. And being such a great buddy, you can teach him. Injecting is the way to go for long-term steroid use. Like said, 1 stack isn't gonna kill him, but over time, it will wear you down, just like drinking. He has to learn to inject properly or die trying...his life, his fucking ass. And, those are his problems. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 24 |
quote: Get a clue Rugby ... not everybody has access to a computer. I'm just trying to help out a bro ... |
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posted April 15, 2001 10:13 AM
