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liftingnjuicing

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posted April 13, 2001 07:24 PM

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Does anyone have any idea how long it will take for this large bubble of testosterone enathate to dissolve that I injected by accident into my subcutaneous tissue. YOu see, I used a needle that was too short and didn't push hard enough against my quad muscle and ended up with a large amount of testosterone enanthate in my subcutaneous tissue rather than inside my muscle tissue. Will this testosterone even abosrb? I have been reading on this and it seems it will absorb but it will just do so over a much more extended period of time than if it were to have been injected properly into the muscle. DOes anyone know how long it will take? Will it cause significant elevations in testosterone for a very long time now? It was about 800mg worth of enanthate divided into two shots and I'd say that about half of it ended up in the subcutaneous tissue rather than inside the muscle tissue.
The reason that this is all important is that I have a blood test in about 8 weeks for my testosterone levels and I am worried that this will cause the results to be all scewed. I am not worried about inhibition since I will be replacing 100mg im weekly every week starting next friday. What I am worried about is that this subcutaneous deposit will still be dissolving then and will cause my t levels to come in the supraphysiologic range and then I will be srewed. I am also worried about having elevated estrogen levels because of this slow dissolving subcutaneous deposit that will require prolonged dosages of antiestrogens to treat (I am very sensitive to estrogen related side effects and they become a problem unless I am on full dosages of anti e's even at low dosages of aromatizeable test). SO what do you guys think will be happening and am I screwed in regards ot the blood test. THanks


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ajc

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posted April 13, 2001 07:28 PM

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Nobody here really knows anything...Sorry.

Actually, unless this is your last shot or two, your blood test results aren't going to look normal. The bump should go down within a few days and at that point, I believe it will be absorbed at the same rate.


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liftingnjuicing

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posted April 13, 2001 07:37 PM

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Sorry I didn't mean to be insulting by asking if anybody knew anything. I just really need help on this and I know it is in regards to knowledge that most people don't have.

YEs, yesterday was my last two shots of enanthate, I took two shots of 400mg and for both I used a 5/8th inch needle and really didn't press very hard against the quad. That is why this problem occured. (If i had used a needle that was perhaps even 1/8th inch bigger it would have been fine but anyways)> I intend to do 100mg every week (a physiologic replacement dose) starting next friday up and through the blood test which will be done actually in 6 weeks not 8 . I will get the blood drawn one week after the 6th injection of 100mg, and I am hoping the t levels will be about 400-900 ng/dl. What do you think that the odds are of this working out?


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liftingnjuicing

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posted April 13, 2001 08:03 PM

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I guess besides ajc no one really dsoes know anything here, they just make fun of each other and post inside jokes?


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kid

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posted April 13, 2001 08:05 PM

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it should go done, but take some time secondary to it being oil based absorbed into the skin. if it doesn't go down in a few days, go to see your doctor because it may get infected just sitting there.


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Gord

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posted April 13, 2001 11:23 PM

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hotpack it for 20 mins at a time until it goes down. It will look like its gone and the area will be flat from the pressure you put on it but keep hot packing it several times a day for a couple days. That should work.


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liftingnjuicing

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posted April 13, 2001 11:25 PM

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I might be an idiot but isn't it cold presses that increase blood circulation and hot packs that decrease blood circulation???


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Gord

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posted April 13, 2001 11:28 PM

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cold stops the blood circ. Hot increases it. Why do you think you get more vascular when your hot?


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liftingnjuicing

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posted April 13, 2001 11:30 PM

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Right, it dialates the blood vessels?


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Gord

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posted April 13, 2001 11:32 PM

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just go hot pack it and get some real needles next time.


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wesdog

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posted April 13, 2001 11:33 PM

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its actually the same principal as boiling water and frozen water. when you boil water, the molecules move faster, but when you freeze it, the molecules move very slow. get my drift?

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Darksun

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posted April 14, 2001 12:17 AM

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I seen Nubain main-lined (subcus. or intermus. recommended) to come down off of tabs in the morning (Popular in AZ -- called riding the magic carpet � rolling your balls off but, at total peace/relaxation) and a vein accidentally pierced and about .75 cc ending up in the lymphatic system or other�
While it would seem to dissipate quickly being non-oil based, a knot lasted for about two weeks. With an oil-based compound under the skin it may take even longer.

�WHEN IN DOUBT, GET THE NEEDLE OUT�


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liftingnjuicing

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posted April 14, 2001 12:33 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by Darksun:
I seen Nubain main-lined (subcus. or intermus. recommended) to come down off of tabs in the morning (Popular in AZ -- called riding the magic carpet � rolling your balls off but, at total peace/relaxation) and a vein accidentally pierced and about .75 cc ending up in the lymphatic system or other�
While it would seem to dissipate quickly being non-oil based, a knot lasted for about two weeks. With an oil-based compound under the skin it may take even longer.

�WHEN IN DOUBT, GET THE NEEDLE OUT�


THe lymphatic system? THat is not the subcutaneous fat tissue which is the approx 1 inch of flesh between the muscle and the skin. Regardless I am worried that you might be right, that it might take around 2 weeks to 1 month to dissolve. I have read things that indicate this might be true. However alot of people on this board seem tothink that it will dissolve within a week or so and then absorb as if I had injected it into the muscle. I wish more mods/vets would post their opinions.


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Zeke_B

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posted April 14, 2001 12:43 AM

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You can probably use the 5/8" needles
in your Delts. Try it and see if you
like it. I have found that it is not
uncomfortable at all although having
sore shoulders can screw up every upper
body workout.


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liftingnjuicing

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posted April 14, 2001 12:58 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by Darksun:
I seen Nubain main-lined (subcus. or intermus. recommended) to come down off of tabs in the morning (Popular in AZ -- called riding the magic carpet � rolling your balls off but, at total peace/relaxation) and a vein accidentally pierced and about .75 cc ending up in the lymphatic system or other�
While it would seem to dissipate quickly being non-oil based, a knot lasted for about two weeks. With an oil-based compound under the skin it may take even longer.

�WHEN IN DOUBT, GET THE NEEDLE OUT�


HEy darksun, where was the knot? At the injection site? Why wasn;t it carried away by the vein. SOrry but I dont' really understand your post 100percent.


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Darksun

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posted April 14, 2001 01:45 AM

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Liftingnjuicing...

The ole main vein in the arm that one ties off like a f*cking junkie shooting smack...
While not a participant� if you accidentally go through the vein (easy) while utilizing, for example, a 29-G Insulin Ultra-Fine needle, you end up depositing the "goods" outside the vein in "no mans land" creating irratation and an eventual knot (it does burn)�
People experience this most often banging cocaine...
While not abscessed, it does irritate and cause the area and a knot about 0.25" height by 1" circumference on the inside of the arm/elbow to exist, unfortunately, for several weeks -- many strippers are into "riding the carpet" and if done wrong, detrimental to their ability to work...
It is a travesty...
Hope this clears things up, let me know�

Let me clarify, you go through the vein out the other side...

�WHEN IN DOUBT, GET THE NEEDLE OUT"

[This message has been edited by Darksun (edited April 14, 2001).]


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liftingnjuicing

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posted April 14, 2001 07:00 PM

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Thanks darksun, that makes it more clear.
Any other opinions/ideas/theories on how long it will take for this bubble of testosterone enanthate in the subcutaneous fat in my leg to be dissolved/absorb/go away?


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liftingnjuicing

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posted April 14, 2001 11:41 PM

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bump


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SwitchedOn

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posted April 15, 2001 02:15 AM

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Um, 5/8" pin in quad, and you're asking people here is they know anyting WTF!


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shmucko

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posted April 15, 2001 02:20 AM

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How long it takes to be absorbed depends how big it is and how often you put a hotpack on it. I had a small one, maybe the size of a small grape, and it took about 7-10 days with daily hotpack.


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