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It is not the type, dosage, or characteristics of an Anabolic Steroid that will make a difference in your gains. Gains are 50% diet, 20% training, 15% rest and 15% gear. If you are on a great bulking diet, intense workout routine, and getting plenty of rest then you should make gains with or without steroids. Of course you will have a lot more gains with the steroids, but you will also not make any gains if you use steroids and slack off on your diet, and training. That is why conservative is the way to go. Higher dosages are for seasoned veterans or lazy ass newbies who don't want to put in hard work. The lazy lifter raises the dosage instead of working harder. Do it right or don't do it at all!!     | ||
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Cool Novice 
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Amen | ||
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Cool Novice
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Amen to all that. And when the lord cursed you as an ecto...eating is much harder than my 7day schedule at the gym. id trade my problem with a sumo anyday. My kingdom for a weight problem. BOBOUT | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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Good point although I don't agree with your percentages. I find it funny when newbies who have This asshole I work with used to always | ||
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Cool Novice
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well said | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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Amen brother finally I read someone's post that understands the value of hardwork and diet. Right now I use one steroid at a time and thats t-200. Use small dosages. Lift my ass off five times a week. 2-3 hours a day and eat six meals a day. I would gain weight even if i didnt use steriods, but i love the kick it gives. "Always on the edge" thelegacy | ||
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Cool Novice
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30 lbs over the last 2 years before ever touching the gear. Never let BF get above 6%ish, never had a train partner. Its mind over everything, and getting out of bed at night to do 50 extra pushups when you have spent it all already. Mind over everything. Then go take the slackers chics.... | ||
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Cool Novice
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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yeah..but steroids also motivate my workout when I think..."i just spent fucking 600 dollars on that shit, i gotta get my moneys worth" hehehe. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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quote: Another amen to that-it is motivation when you spent a crap load of money on gear--either motivation or anger? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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TRUTH | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Diet? Rest? Hard Work? Not Magic? Shit I want my money back  LOL good post bro! Lets keep this one at the top. | ||
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Cool Novice
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How much are those Ttokkyo "magic-pill" 50mg's???? I need me a bottle of those. I hear the Brovel is laced with "luck" and a little "mojo" too.!!! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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What about 40 years old? What about genetically limited to unsatisfactory gains? What about competitive athletes? It's too easy to label everyone as lazy... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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roger that | ||
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Cool Novice
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Dont need an excuse to improve your overall state. Gear-up and then be lazy...youll just look fair...and be broke. I bust ass before-during-and after the pokes. And In return I look good, then fucking great, then good.....But alas Im still broke. The way around this is too look good enough to get other girls to buy 'you' drinks. Im still broke, but never thirsty. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Originally posted by panerai: What about 40 years old? What about genetically limited to unsatisfactory gains? What about competitive athletes? It's too easy to label everyone as lazy... Well those people ALSO MUST like 2thick said: | ||
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Novice
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AMEN is right. Go to gym 4-5 times a week at 3am after work, then 1 other day to hit whole body light. I eat ALL day and drink about 3-4 shakes. Sleep 6hrs every morning then take a 1 hr nap before work. Haven't missed a workout or nap in 3.5 months. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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This is a great thread. I trained natural for 7 years and built myself up to 220 before taking my first cycle. I put on like 40 pounds of muscle in that time. I did finally hit the wall we all know so well though. Needless to say, the dealers that use to dangled the stuff in front of me and got a chuckle in return got the last laugh. I honestly thought I was without natural limitation. lol. I think guys should give it a little time before using gear. Maybe a year, at least. But I don't want to suggest it because I don't know what it is like to be in their shoes. All the men in my family are built like lumber jacks, at 180, I was the smallest. Fast metabolism and never allowed myself time to eat right. Some of the bros I know have to boatload some serious stuff for months to get where I was at before I touched a weight. Then I start lifting, which in turn makes me hungry and caused me to eat like a pig, and next thing you know, I'm busting 200. Turned out that thanks to genetics, I'm an easy gainer. That's why it is so hard to tell a guy who weighs 140 and can get his hands on some stuff not to do it. I know those of us that have been around should, but damn, it would have to be a bitch to be that small. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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quote: Acording to that theory then if Ronnie didn't take steroids he would still be 85% of his actual size. What do you think???? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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I'd have ot disagree with your statements and say gains are at least 50 percent gear/ and 50 percent diet/rest,excercise. In the New england Jounral of medicine it was shown that men recieving 600mg of testosterone per week for 10 weeks who DIDN'T EVEN TRAIN gained more muscle than people not on testosterone but who were engaged in a rigorous excercise program. | ||
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Cool Novice
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Bump, DCS I agree, AS is a very factor when taking it... But if you dont eat, you are not going to gain shit.. But if you do everything right, the gains are awsome.. Gear | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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HA LAY LOO YAHHHHHHHHHHHHH! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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What an excellent post. No it's not magic, and I struggle with the balance of it all every day. Not enough sleep, was the diet perfect today? Was my workout 110%? But the gains are coming | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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I second that 2Thick! ------------------ Maxx >>>>> | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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good point, i think you're absolutely right. Even though i have to disagree to the %. i agree if you don't get plenty of rest, work hard and have a grat diet steroids are usless, but i think that IF all the mentioned things are in check, steroids will rappresent more than 15% of the gains. I mean if you take a guy,put him on a great diet give him 10 hours of sleep per night, and a solid lifting routine he will gain let's say 10 pounds in 2 months. If you add gear he 'll gain easly 20 pounds. So gains are double, not 15% more. Of course if you skip one of the above mentioned thimgs, even with gear gains can be very poor. But again i think it is more than 15% IF everything else is ok. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Steroids are not magic! good point, those are my exact words when a newbie talks to me about juice. Some people have the idea that they will look like Arnold from one cycle. I tell people to lift for 10 years before they even think about juice. I lifted natural for a decade before I started. Of course these newbies don't always listen to me. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Bump for 2thick, I never understood the reason for crazy dosages!! It only brings upon more sides. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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A lot of truth here...... bump | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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great point That why tell no one | ||
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Novice
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All wll said - I just got back into training after a 9 yr layoff,and it feels REALLgood!! Unfortunatly,there are a lot of real pinhead idiots that spend more time flapping thier mouths instead of taking the pain of the iron- Peace | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Well said 2Thick. However, if diet, training and proper rest are meticulously optimised, then steroids would represent more than 50% of gains, if not 70%. | ||
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Cool Novice
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You know, I don't think that you can put a dot on the percentage everything will do. There are just too many factors to consider. The main ones have been pointed out, and those you have complete control over. And I gotta give a hell yeah to moderate dosages. 1g a week, yeah screw that, I have never been above 500/wk in the last three cycles. I have good genetics, but the difference is, I dont rely on juice for my gains I use juice to help me gain | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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"It is not the type, dosage, or characteristics of an Anabolic Steroid that will make a difference in your gains." This is the part i have to disagree with.. Are you saying that one will get the same gains from Anavar, as they would with Anadrol? I agree with much of what you have stated, we all know there are many principles that we all need to follow,and they are more important than the "supplements" we choose. Good post, did you think of this all by yourself, or did you have some help?? hahaaahhahahahaha.. | ||
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hehehehehe | ||
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Moderator 
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I would say you're seriously mentally impaired if you believe that  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Just like you to turn this into a Deca vs. Test thread.... Oops, i am sorry Test vs. Deca thread.. It would make breathing much easier, if you ever took your head out of your ass once in a while... hehehehee ------------------ | ||
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quote: I could say the same for you | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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for the record - midgets aren't magic either. they are simply freaks of nature... but there is no magic involved. killing them and using their hides to make sofa covers will not bring about good luck. I repeat - trust me, some of us learned this the hard way - midgets themselves are not magic. nor are the filled with magic. nor chocolate. mostly just with blood and smelly stuff. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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You're the man 2Thick....i agree and stress it all the time!!!, except for the deca part....lol ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
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quote: The Irish ones in green suits are, I read in on a cereal box this morning. PS: Happy Scrappy, I think its time to your change medication... [This message has been edited by PimpnAintEasy (edited April 13, 2001).] | ||
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Novice
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Don't think so... [This message has been edited by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex (edited April 13, 2001).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Diet i think is the most important part, with rest. If you dont get enough to eat to fuel the muscles and enough rest to repair them , then ur not gonna grow. Anyone can lift but not everyone can follow a strict diet. Right now the diet for me is the hardest cause i feel like i am full all the time. My friend dont eat enough and sleeps only 4 hours a nite , and drinks three days a week while on and he dont get any bigger at all. But he lifts all the time so diet is the key to growth. Eat big to get big!!!!!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Yeah, I trained for 2 years after a background in athletics and some strength training. I got to the point where I didn't improve my lifts for like 12 months. I got so disheartened, trying really hard and getting no-where. I did my first comp. and realised that I wanted to win next time, I went to my limit with natural supps then thought this is it I am going to try it or give up completely. I really notice the difference and my poundages have gone through the roof. I have a problem with the water retention since I compulsively eat once or twice a week and like to drink. I am working on this and know that when I sort that bit out (I eat clean for 5 days out of 7 then blow it for two days) it'll really make the difference. Whenever anyone mentions steriods it's as if you are 'cheating' by taking them i.e. they improve your performance without any effort. I can tell you that to make my gains I have watched my diet (as much as I can right now) and lifted real hard and heavy in the gym. As a result a spanish guy approached me last week and told me I was the strongest woman he had ever seen. I should be, I've been training really hard. Alot of kids just get a load of test and stick it up their butts then go down the gym, lift a few dumbells and think that's it. They then wonder why nothing happens. I have also seen guys who say they can't make gains and are juicing whilst they only manage to eat 2 meals a day. What the f**k do they expect? muscle to magically appear and attach itself to their bodies. It's a joke and at the end of the day we get the hassle because of the jokers who mess about. | ||
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Cool Novice
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when i was 20 to 23 years old people stated calling me arnold.i never did roids, i lifted 3hr. a day 6 to 7 days a week,i was at 155lb. and 5'11" i was one built mother,never did that grate on the bench butt i could sill put up 205 8 to 9 times never did go for mac's it wasnt inportant to me,wasnt much for braging.. UNTILL Y0U CAN MEET THEES TYPE OF GOLS,I DONT THINK ROIDS SHOULD EVER BE ON YOU (TO DO LIST......) OH I DID USE A LITTLE WEIGHT GAINER 900 BUT NOT ALOT. MY .2 | ||
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Cool Novice
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I SAY, IF YOU GOT THE CASH, THE DETERMINATION AND ARE OVER 21, FUCK IT. GO FOR IT. CAUSE IF YOU AIN'T BUSY LIVING, THEN YOU'RE BUSY DYING... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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HAVE TO AGREE WITH YA 2 THICK,ALTHOUGH I THINK EVERYONE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT WHEN IT COMES TO THE PERCENTAGES,YOUVE REALLY GOT TO WANT TO BE HUGE,MASSIVE,THICK A FREAK OR WHAT EVER YA WANNA CALL IT. YOUVE GOT TO BUST YOUR ASS,TRAIN HARD, DIET VERY WELL YEAR AFTER YEAR TO ATTAIN GOALS.CONSISTENCY IS THE KEY. PUT IN YOUR TIME!!! AND WITH A.S. YOU WILL SEE YOUR BODY MAGICALLY GROW AND GROW!! BEST OF LUCK TO ALL OF YOU. ------------------ | ||
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Olympian 
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let's keep this up for a while. Interesting enough. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short | ||
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Mutant  
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quote: LOL @ this post... | ||
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Novice
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What about people who have naturally low testosterone? Steroids can give someone like myself the tesosterone that my dedication deserves. Why should I fail in achieving my goals just because I have low testosterone. I will not deny myself anything. I would love to have naturally high levels. It's ok all of you who can put on the pounds without gear, for some of us the Lord did not bless us with good genetics. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: is this guy serious, HAHAHAHA.... ahhhh
[This message has been edited by mike001 (edited April 13, 2001).] | ||
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Freak
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Why are experienced users exempt? 2Thick you took all the fun out of this thread with that disclaimer. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Aha... Agree but from what i see its certainly more than 15%... more like 50%... ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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That's right! That's why I keep my doses low and train my ass off... 4rt ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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They are magic, and you can't tell me otherwise! | ||
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Mutant
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quote: A thinking man...Gotta love it. | ||
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Olympian
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quote: Haha...that was funny. I'll steer clear of this thread just in case another Deca vs Test battle happens.......LOL As an addendum(I think it has been said), people with low test levels(naturally) NEED steroids to help them grow. They will obviuosly need higher dosages than other people...... Godspeed | ||
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Cool Novice
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mike001 of course im serious why would'nt i be. what do you see wrong with what i said? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 95 |
Great Post....Bump this to the top.... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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quote: You're right, I change my vote... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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50% diet, interesting.  | ||
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Novice
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quote: As much as I love to see you try to rip into me (for fun), I just wanted to spread a neutral message. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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ion nice pic where did you get that pic from? | ||
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Olympian
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Did I hear Deca vs test- let's do it again, where is that fucker Ranger. Bring him in on this heh heh heh.Good post 2thick. Dammit ulter you got problems you have 2200 posts now over here, get a life heh heh. ------------------ DECA-IT'S WHAT'S FOR DINNER | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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apbt549, it's just a joke? and a glue gun I had around. [This message has been edited by ion (edited April 14, 2001).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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I would like to agree with you, and add a number of other benefits of steroids. When training, the tremendous pump and strength I feel, immediately gives me additional motivation and enthusiasm while on juice, Furthermore I have an overwhelming sense of well being, happiness and drive to workout, during a cycle. I enjoy my workout more. My workouts are more intense, explosive and effective. Psychologically I have a greater sense of confidence, assertiveness and general happiness.----------assertiveness is a polite understatement� | ||
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Cool Novice
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I hate the fuckers who got nerve enough to say to your face that the only reason I'm the size and shape I am is that I've juiced or am juicin and if I didn't I wouldn't be any bigger than them yet I'm in that gym 4-5 days a week for an hour and a half of intense and I mean ball busting trainning. The faggots who think juice is magic r fucking idiots and the next person who says that to me, friend or stranger, is gonna get there head beat in. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Juice is not a the magic tool people make it out to be.... Its definetly not like the MuscleTech Stack---NitroTech, CellTech and Hydroyxcut---NOW THAT IS A POTENT STACK...Just look at Greg Kovacs. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Steroids are not a magic tool.... They are nothing like the MuscleTech stack--CellTech, NitroTech, and Hydroxycut---THERES A POTENT STACK....Just look at Greg Kovacs-- BTW- Be careful with Hydroxycut, you might get too ripped--- ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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I feel that you need to work even harder when your on the juice because you need to do everything right to get the gains your really paying for and every slip in your diet and every hour a sleep you miss can effect you... | ||
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Novice
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Hello, newbie here so dont overreact. Anyways, i am in colledge right now and this is last month before break. Too much shit to do->lack of sleep->shitty diet->as a result I lost about 4 pounds in a last two weeks.(and i did drop down to 4 days a week of basics compound ex.) I understand that steroids are not magic but could winstrol+primo help somebody in my situation to get thru this month without loosing too much size and strength?(once again shitty diet a major problem right now) Or would clenbuterol be a better choice? (some people using it between cycles to maintain gains from what i understand) Thanks _____________________________________________ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Not magic..., I want a refund!!!!! ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
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Hydroxycut can get you too ripped? How much did you take? (in bottles, I'm not insulting your ability to read directions on how many to take a day) I am taking it now and want to know if it will dangerously alter my bf level. I am somewhere around 10-13 right now and looking to get ripped. |
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