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Fonz

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posted April 12, 2001 07:23 PM

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If you e-mail me:

1. Please give me your handle name so that I can
check your e-mail address that you are using
to the e-mail address of your handle at the Elite
board. If you don't provide a handle i will not answer!!

2. No AOL addies for gods sake!!
I've been getting a lot of these, and while some
questions are pretty benign other aren't.
Due to this, I WILL NOT ANSWER ANY AOL
E-MAILS!!

3. And please give me some time to answer your
e-mails. I go to university, have to workout, eat, work
etc...I'll answer your e-mails just give me 2-3 days.

Sorry for the rant, its just I keep telling people this
and they just don't listen.

Godspeed


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Fonz

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posted April 12, 2001 07:26 PM

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Ex-infantry this isn't directed towards you, as you've
acted in a respectful manner always.

Godspeed


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ajc

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posted April 12, 2001 07:28 PM

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That goes for me too.


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JohnnyO

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posted April 12, 2001 07:30 PM

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AND GET AND ENCRYPTED EMAIL ACCOUNT!!!

I'm deleting non-secure mail.


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Fonz

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posted April 12, 2001 07:32 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by JohnnyO:
AND GET AND ENCRYPTED EMAIL ACCOUNT!!!

I'm deleting non-secure mail.



Hushmail and Elitemail have the same chances of
being decrypted as hotmail and others etc.....
This is factually true....

Godspeed


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HappyScrappy

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posted April 12, 2001 07:43 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Fonz:

Hushmail and Elitemail have the same chances of
being decrypted as hotmail and others etc.....
This is factually true....

Godspeed


I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning for this - I'm not arguing with it - just want to know the reasoning. I'm a fairly big cryptography buff and I have no issues with hushmail's system, but I refuise to use hotmail... well, for anything I don't want read.

if you mean from hushmail -> non-hushmail account - I agree, they are the same. but if it is hushmail -> hushmail (or hushmail licensed such as elitefitness) - I would argue with you on that one.

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JohnnyO

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posted April 12, 2001 07:52 PM

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I always thought hotmail and things like that traveled as smtp clear text (very easy to read), while the hush engine encrypted before transmission, so if someone is snopping your connection they would see garbage.


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Fonz

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posted April 12, 2001 08:00 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by JohnnyO:
I always thought hotmail and things like that traveled as smtp clear text (very easy to read), while the hush engine encrypted before transmission, so if someone is snopping your connection they would see garbage.


Very correct if someone was using only a P3-1000Mhz
processor w/128mb Ram.
However, 128-bit encryption programs can be
decrypted with 3 1000Mhz processors in parallel
in a small amount of time.
The federal government has a CRAY-YMP just for
this task which can anhilate ANY 128-bit ancrypted
file in like 1.0s.
If you don't know what a CRAY is look it up.
Commercial encryption programs are a joke.

Godspeed


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JohnnyO

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posted April 12, 2001 08:04 PM

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I wonder if they can crack 3des? Happy what's your take on this?


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HappyScrappy

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posted April 12, 2001 08:07 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Fonz:

Very correct if someone was using only a P3-1000Mhz
processor w/128mb Ram.
However, 128-bit encryption programs can be
decrypted with 3 1000Mhz processors in parallel
in a small amount of time.
The federal government has a CRAY-YMP just for
this task which can anhilate ANY 128-bit ancrypted
file in like 1.0s.
If you don't know what a CRAY is look it up.
Commercial encryption programs are a joke.

Godspeed


hmm, while you have good intentions - you've just stepped out of your area of expertise and right smack into the middle of mine.
I would recommend you checkout the site http://www.distributed.net

if you want, I'll gladly go into great detail as to why you are wrong (and crays suck ass now - but I know what you mean by very fast systems, but crays are no longer the best - they are just a famous name).

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HappyScrappy

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posted April 12, 2001 08:14 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by JohnnyO:
I wonder if they can crack 3des? Happy what's your take on this?

hell yeah - it has been done! (again, checkout distributed.net) it depends on what bit-depth you want to do it at, the lower the faster they can do it. anything at or below the 50's is "easy" and 64 approaches hard but is still doable - 128 is where it starts approaching impossible.

you can crack any cipher given enough time - but the problem is, we don't have enough time.
the hushmail algorithm uses blowfish if I recall correctly (too lazy to go look it up - I've read the source code for it in the past). the bit level is in fact not 128 as fonz said, but actually 1024. that looks like it might be a little larger, and hell, maybe even what 8 times as big.... hmm, well that's nice, except this is an exponential growth curve you are looking at - so 128 bit would take roughly the length of time that the universe has been around, and 1024 is really fucking huge.

I will gladly go on, but I don't want to waste my breath if nobody is reading.

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Fonz

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posted April 12, 2001 08:17 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by HappyScrappy:
hmm, while you have good intentions - you've just stepped out of your area of expertise and right smack into the middle of mine.
I would recommend you checkout the site http://www.distributed.net

if you want, I'll gladly go into great detail as to why you are wrong (and crays suck ass now - but I know what you mean by very fast systems, but crays are no longer the best - they are just a famous name).



CRAY's are still quite good. For speed nowadays go
get yourself a Quantum Computer. How's that for
speed.....LOL Crack that 128-bit code in like one
nanosecond.(Apparently someone at MIT was
contracted by the defense department to build
a quantum supercomputer). HappyScrappy as you
know electrons have several excitable energy states
, unlike binary code which is just 0's and 1's. Therefore
this type of supercomputer would anhilate any
other type of computer.
I am in the aerospace industry after all.
Nothing like a super-fast computer to control a plasma
-based engine.

Godspeed



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HappyScrappy

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posted April 12, 2001 08:24 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Fonz:

CRAY's are still quite good. For speed nowadays go
get yourself a Quantum Computer. How's that for
speed.....LOL Crack that 128-bit code in like one
nanosecond.(Apparently someone at MIT was
contracted by the defense department to build
a quantum supercomputer). HappyScrappy as you
know electrons have several excitable energy states
, unlike binary code which is just 0's and 1's. Therefore
this type of supercomputer would anhilate any
other type of computer.
I am in the aerospace industry after all.
Nothing like a super-fast computer to control a plasma
-based engine.

Godspeed


I still maintain that crays aren't so great - for the money, you are better off setting up a beowolf.
as for the quantum system, if they worked in practice instead of just in theory, then you are right - all of our current crypto systems would be broken literally instantly.
but they don't exist, so for now, it takes serious time and many many many processors to throw at the problem. if you are brute forcing it, it takes much time - luckily there are faster ways around it - like dumbass users.

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oldbiker

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posted April 12, 2001 08:25 PM

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Gentlemen and juiceheads, now you have found something I can talk about. The Diffie-Hellman public/private key and the rc-5 symmetric algorithms applied to 128 bit north american ( not global ) security system would take 10 to the 18 power years to break, if you were using parallel processing crays and had 1 trillion dollars to throw at the project. This info is part of a study done by the us govt. and several educational institutions. I do have all the graphs to back up this statement.

In case you can't tell Oldbiker builds secure networks for a living.

OB

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Fonz

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posted April 12, 2001 08:32 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by oldbiker:
Gentlemen and juiceheads, now you have found something I can talk about. The Diffie-Hellman public/private key and the rc-5 symmetric algorithms applied to 128 bit north american ( not global ) security system would take 10 to the 18 power years to break, if you were using parallel processing crays and had 1 trillion dollars to throw at the project. This info is part of a study done by the us govt. and several educational institutions. I do have all the graphs to back up this statement.

In case you can't tell Oldbiker builds secure networks for a living.

OB




Cool, another CryptoFreak like myself...LOL
What's your take on the Quantum computer then?
You think its possible to build one?
They're currently working on a protein-based computer
to eradicate any possible data being stolen if it
falls in the wrong hands. As you probably know once
a biological organism is turned off it can never be
turned back on.
You sure about the 10exp18 time-frame???
The government uses a 256-bit encryption
system that HAS been broken.
One-time pads are theoretically unbreakable.
The current best encryption software is 512-bit
used by CIA, NSA etc....
Godspeed


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HappyScrappy

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posted April 12, 2001 08:43 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Fonz:
Cool, another CryptoFreak like myself...LOL
What's your take on the Quantum computer then?
You think its possible to build one?
They're currently working on a protein-based computer
to eradicate any possible data being stolen if it
falls in the wrong hands. As you probably know once
a biological organism is turned off it can never be
turned back on.
You sure about the 10exp18 time-frame???
The government uses a 256-bit encryption
system that HAS been broken.
One-time pads are theoretically unbreakable.
The current best encryption software is 512-bit
used by CIA, NSA etc....
Godspeed

I would recommend reading the following books (pulled from my bookshelves):
Applied Cryptograpyhy by Schneier
Cryptanalysis by Gaines
The Codebreakers by Kahn
The Code Book by Singh
Concepts of Modern Mathematics by Stewart
The Collapse of Chaos by Stewart
Cryptography Theory and Practice by Stinson

Most of those go over what we've been talking about in great detail.

the quantum computer is such a cool thing - and I sure as hell hope it comes to light someday, but there are many huge hurdles to overcome still. Feynman was a brilliant guy - but he was just theorizing on the possibility of it.
as far as I know, heat is the current largest problem (Landauer's principle)...

this is a cool thread - a nice break...

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oldbiker

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posted April 12, 2001 08:45 PM

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The graph that I have was developed mainly at MIT at the end of 2000. I don't do much work with crypto over 128 bit because that's all the private sector can use. I know several other govts like Germany publicly use 256 bit but it has holes in it.

I haven't seen anything on protien based systems.
I hope your statement about organics not bieng able to be turned back on isn't true.
My ex-wife turned me off and I'm currently trying to find a girl friend. ;-0

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HappyScrappy

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posted April 12, 2001 08:47 PM

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I think the protein stuff he is referring to is the biopolymer research being done.

a good faq for this sort of thing exists here:
http://www.rdrop.com/~cary/html/quantum_c_faq.html

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FREAKY_FOREARMS

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posted April 12, 2001 08:55 PM

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waaaayy over my head


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MR. BMJ

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You guys are talking in foreign language to me....uh....guess I should take some computer classes or something.
MR. BMJ


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oldbiker

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posted April 12, 2001 09:03 PM

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I think everybody else bailed on us.

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Fonz

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Haha guys...LOL

The protein based computer I was referring to was
the RNA-based ones. e.g. using RNA as a sort
of processor/hard disk. Once you start this
"computer", the cells begin working so-to-speak",
if you turn them off(like turning off a nerve cell),
th data held in the RNA of that cell would never
be able to be retrieved due to the fact the "computer"
would not be aqble to be turned back on.
As you know, it's not possible to erase anything
from an HD unless you PHYSICALLY scratch
out the sector(s) in question.

Godspeed


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voodoo

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Keep in mind that the gov "pays" for CPU time on a Cray - it still treated like the old days of time share systems. I am not sure the cost anymore as I now longer work for that company, we ran the supercomputer center in Al. Very cool, as we owned some of the Cray's the gov paid hard money for time - they were just as tight fisted about soft money for the one Cray they owned.

They really have to have a good reason to break crypto on a e-mail. You can talk about legal process, court orders, etc. many parts of the gov will look at you like "Sure we do..." but when it comes to spending money it suddenly becomes a problem


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[QUOTE]Originally posted by oldbiker:
I think everybody else bailed on us.

I seek not to know all the answers but to only understand the question

Kwai Chang Caine, is that you????


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HappyScrappy

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when I first started getting interested in crays (this was back before sgi bought them out... and haven't they since dropped them again?) - anyway, my favorite thing about it was that when you bought a cray, you got a guy that came with it. an engineer that at the time was making $50K just to maintain and run the thing. I thought that was hilarious - you open the box it comes with and out steps Joe, your new engineer that came with it

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oldbiker

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Very good grasshopper. You are gaining enlightenment.

OB

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thefantom1

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posted April 13, 2001 01:56 AM

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Ok in English for us Simpletons... which encryption program (for files on your hard drive and for email) would you guys suggest someone like us use?? Thanks


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