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Zeke_B

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posted April 11, 2001 09:41 PM

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I made a plot of test versus time for 500mg
of Sust once a week for ten weeks. If you
take a look, it takes quite a while to get
up to the maximum level of test. Also, it
self tapers pretty nicely. If anyone
wants to see anything else, give me a
holler.

http://y42.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/zekebrules/vwp?.dir=/My+Documents&.dnm=sus-500mg-wk.JPG&.src=bc&.view=t&.hires=t


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ultragainz

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posted April 11, 2001 09:48 PM

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bro sus only tapers when taking everyday...

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jdismukes

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posted April 11, 2001 09:50 PM

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whats up zeke? See how this works
40mg d-bol ed 4weeks
500mg deca 6 weeks
800mg test enanthate (sp) 6 weeks

thanks
jdismukes


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ultragainz

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posted April 11, 2001 09:51 PM

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i oculd be wrong too but from what i have heard it only tapers when takin everyday

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Zeke_B

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posted April 11, 2001 10:01 PM

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I'm at home now and my machine with the
software installed is at work. I'll have
it here over the weekend so I'll post em
as soon as I make em.


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Blonski

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posted April 11, 2001 10:03 PM

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This is how it goes guys....hopefully you will believe me after my MAGIC MARKER incident!

This is the test (all esters in different amounts) in your system for each week. Obviously, the shorter half-life ones drop out first, but kick in early. This doesn't seem to taper too well to me. I can't comment ultra, but I do the maths on your comment.

week---level(mg)
1--475
2--627
3--675
4--691
5--696
6--697
7--698
8--698
9--698
10-698
11-223
12-71
13-22
14-7
15-2

As you can see, your test level peak up around the 700mg/wk mark for a 500mg/wk.

Hope this is of interest Guys.

Blonski

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Zeke_B

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posted April 11, 2001 10:05 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by ultragainz:
i oculd be wrong too but from what i have heard it only tapers when takin everyday

Take a look at the plot...I guess it all
depends on what you define as tapering.
You really can't tell that there are four
different esters with four different
half lives superimposed. One other
interesting point that you cant see from
the plot is that if you inject sust 250
twice a week instead of 500 once a week you
will get smoother levels of test with less
peak. I can show this later.


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Blonski

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posted April 11, 2001 10:06 PM

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Ultra...

What dose daily are your referring to?

50mg/ED for 10 weeks self tapers over 15 weeks, with a peak T-level of around 250mg.

250mg/E3D for 10 weeks peaks over just over 500mg/wk for 6 weeks and tapers over 15 weeks quite well.

Everyday seems too much but these are ideal calcs, not taking into consideration the loss in the body and such - purely maths based.

Blonski

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ultragainz

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posted April 11, 2001 10:08 PM

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sus has to be takin everyday 7 days a week to taper...iam not sure about everyother day....i could be wrong...but i think iam "ultraright"..LOL.....

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Zeke_B

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posted April 11, 2001 10:08 PM

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Can everyone see my plot? Click on the
link.


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bigbabybodybuilder

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posted April 11, 2001 10:15 PM

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Can't see the link bro. Says restricted area, return to briefcase.


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Blonski

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posted April 11, 2001 10:21 PM

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Sorry 'Ultra-incorrect', but it appears that 250mg/ED will shoot your t-level up to 1000mg in no time.

If you want a rough 500mg dose, 250mg every 3 days self tapers no problem. Holds over 500mg for 6-7 weeks which is pretty good.

I learnt something myself here! It's amazing how you can actually use maths in the real world.

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Blonski

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posted April 12, 2001 12:32 AM

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Bump for SUST lovers....


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Zeke_B

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posted April 12, 2001 12:39 AM

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Let's try again...dunno what's up

http://y42.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/zekebrules/vwp?.dir=/My+Documents&.dnm=sus-500mg-wk.JPG&.src=bc&.view=t&.hires=t

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Blonski

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posted April 12, 2001 12:54 AM

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Check this out matey, it'll make things heaps easier to work out....

Where did you get the half-life data from?

www.come.to/roidcalc.com


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Zeke_B

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posted April 12, 2001 01:04 AM

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Tables are no substitutes for plots because
of the discontinuities every time you inject.
It's not obvious what a value in a table
means.

I used the following halflives:
isocaproate 60mg 7 days
decanoate 100mg 7 days
propionate 30 mg 3 days
phenylpropionate 60mg 1 day


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Blonski

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posted April 12, 2001 01:09 AM

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yes, but you can choose how often you inject with that table as well.

What do you mean by discontinuities? How have you avoided them in your plot?

What difference is there between your results and the results from the table at 500mg/wk for 10 weeks?

Scientifically, that calc does it by the book (I assume)...it seems setup correctly and is taking the weights of the esters into consideration as well.

For your table, you need to use the weights or did you mean the 'overall' level of test does not consider each ester?

I guess you could use a stacking-type chart so each ester stacks on top of the other each week. Each one a different colour. That would look great!

It's a good effort though, and you have got me thinking a little more.

With the sust, in some cases, less is best!


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Zeke_B

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posted April 12, 2001 01:20 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by Blonski:

What do you mean by discontinuities? How have you avoided them in your plot?


I haven't. With discontinuities in a table
you could quote two drastically different
levels of test at the exact moment of
injection

quote:
Originally posted by Blonski:

What difference is there between your results and the results from the table at 500mg/wk for 10 weeks?


Does my plot show? I couldn't get your
link to work.

quote:
Originally posted by Blonski:

Scientifically, that calc does it by the book (I assume)...it seems setup correctly and is taking the weights of the esters into consideration as well.


My calc is correct...the only thing is,
1 mg of decanoate is not the same amount
of test as 1 mg of suspension. This is
because the ester contributes some to the
weight. This is what I am ignoring.

quote:
Originally posted by Blonski:

I guess you could use a stacking-type chart so each ester stacks on top of the other each week. Each one a different colour. That would look great!


This is easy. My machine with the software
is at work so I was in a hurry. I will post
a bunch more tomorrow I think.

quote:
Originally posted by Blonski:

With the sust, in some cases, less is best!


Yes indeed


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