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juniorbc

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posted April 11, 2001 01:14 AM

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What does it do to it? does it enlarge it or what?!!!


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blaster220

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posted April 11, 2001 01:17 AM

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AS = Muscle Growth
Heart = Muscle

And guess what, your heart is on a constant, infinite rep set! So yeah, it's not good... it's called enlargement of the heart... I'm wondering if anyone can suggest any way to cut down on this problem when on gear?



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blaster220

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posted April 11, 2001 01:19 AM

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Another thing... how about doing the mods a favor and deleting that double post so they don't have to...


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E M T

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posted April 11, 2001 06:39 AM

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Bump...this has been on my mind too


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DCS

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posted April 11, 2001 06:43 AM

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Gear screws up your cholesterol and raises your bp. THat is not good for your heart. YOu should take steps to avoiud these side effects. I don't believe the CARDIAC MUSCLE WHICH IS NOT THE SAME AS THE MUSLE ON YOUR BONES (there are 3 different types of muscle tissue in the human body) has androgen receptors which cause it to enlarge. GH can do this but not testosterone and its derivatives and all the other gear.


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Iron Ghost

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posted April 11, 2001 08:04 AM

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No flame,but if you're that concerned about it,don't juice.
If i live to 45/55 yrs old,then that's aok with me.
One more thing.You don't see top sprinters who without a doubt juice alot and work their heart rates into the ground 5/6 days ew,keeling over and dying regularly do you?


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fallenangel

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posted April 11, 2001 08:31 AM

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BUMP!!!


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MassKing

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posted April 11, 2001 08:45 AM

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DCS is correct. The heart is an organ and will not grow from androgens although a cycle is bad for the heart for bp and cholestrol like he said. all the crap you are eating can effect you down the road, hardened arteries etc. GH can make your heart and other internal organs swell and even grow. Look at all the top level bb's with their swollen guts. GH my friend and i bet their insides are just trashed considering the amount these guys take.

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juniorbc

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posted April 11, 2001 12:09 PM

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well stew what do you think?


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Statechamp

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posted April 11, 2001 12:11 PM

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If you have a heart condition then don't use it. get your tests done regularly and often with the Dr. and you should be okay.

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DrSuperSaint

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posted April 11, 2001 06:38 PM

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AS can cause the heart to grow, and in time when the individual grows old, faces the possibility of cardiac problems, such as congested heart failure, etc.

True about the diet too!


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pittbull2

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posted April 11, 2001 06:50 PM

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I had a friend that juiced and went to the doc and diagnosed with enlarged heart. He said his self that he thought it was from the juice the daoc said the same since he was so young and had no family history of heart problems. He is dead now and died at a little over a 100 lbs from about 265.


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DrSuperSaint

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posted April 11, 2001 06:56 PM

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Sorry to hear about your friend Pit


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40butpumpin

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posted April 11, 2001 08:10 PM

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Iron Ghost, I can gaurantee you that when you're 45, you'll have an entirely different idea of when it will be cool to die. Come on bro, I'm 40 and never felt better in my life. Take good care of yourself and you could be pumping iron and getting down with your woman into your seventies and even eighties. It's up to you but that's a lot of life to throw away!

All, if you don't have high bp and don't get rediculous with the roids, it's my opinion that they will actually be good for your heart.

I think some of us tend to forget what the real goal of all of this is: to be as buff AND healthy as you can possibly be. What good is it if you're buff and your health is all messed up? It can be done healthily, just research it and be careful what you put into your bodies.

Be Smart!!!


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40butpumpin

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posted April 11, 2001 08:21 PM

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An enlarged heart is NOT a death sentence. Most atheletes have an enlarged heart due to the excessive work-load of their hearts. However, so do a lot hypertensives. I had uncontrolled high BP when I was younger and was working out with it. Due to this deadly combo, I put an excessive strain on my heart. I too, was diagnosed with an enlarged heart when I was only 27! I am now 40 and my heart is in fantastic shape. And I can tell you I am not dying anytime soon -- at least from an enlarged heart.

There ARE supplements that helped me at the time, in addition to adding a bp med which gives your heart a "rest." The med that can do that is any beta blocker. I took one called Atenalol.

The supplements that will help your heart are (especially an enlarged heart):

L-Carnitine (High doses)
Coenzyme Q10 (I like low doses)
Hawthorne Berry (High doses)
Magnesium (As high as you can stand without getting diarea).
Avoiding excessive amount of stimulants is also a great idea.

I also think testosterone and GH are both great for an unhealthy heart! hth

The key is to keep that bp down.


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DCS

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posted April 11, 2001 08:43 PM

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Testosterone does not cause the heart to enlarge in the same way that it causes the muscles on your body to enlarge through an ar receptor. It might make people make mor GH so this might cause the heart to enlarge. HIGHG blood pressure causes the heart to enlarge. Bad cholesterol causes the heart to enlarge. Testosterone alone, if you avoid these things, does not cause the heart to enlarge anymore than eating food causes your heart to enlarge. Everything can be said to cause anything thorugh indircet relationships.


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