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 Fonz's TEST STACK rom Hell
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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Ok, I'm going to bridge with Primo for the following 8 weeks then I'm hitting the test to shut-up all the people who say I can't comment on test because I've never done it. This is a 10-week bulking phase involving a lot of gear, since I'm going to be ripped at 200lbs and want to reach 235 in 10 weeks. I've taken all the stops out on this cycle: Weeks 1-10 1. 1000mgs Deca/week+200mg RU-486 E3D 2. 1000mg Test. Enanthate/week 3. 100mg Test. Suspension on WO days(6/week) 4. 1mg Arimidex ED, 40mg Novaldex ED, 50mg Proviron ED 5. Dball at 50mg/day No EQ(it sucks.....Ranger is going to go nuts LOL) Cutting phase(next 8 weeks then off) 1. 150mg Fina ED(injectable) 2. 100mg Winstrol ED(tabs) 3. 60mg Oxandrolone ED(powder) 4. Arimidex+Novaldex+proviron: same as above In case you're wondering, I use suspension on WO days to get a huge test spike during a WO, something not possible with test. enanthate. I also have 1260 IU's of GH but I'm saving that up for when I come off completely. I'll be staying off for 4 months.... Lets see what test can really do...... You guys better be right about it. Godspeed     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 57 |
When will you take the suspension? In the morning, or just before you work out??? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1481 |
quote: In the morning as it takes some time to kick in. Godspeed | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 648 |
damned fonz, that's a lot of test!just why are you using so much deca if you want to see how test works, you'll not be able to tell how much your gains( wich i think will be tremedous) are from the test. Anyway good luck. P.S. Check your mail please! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 154 |
hey fonz if you never used test before, why go overkill now? You could run 500mg and still get results. Whats your thinking behind that? Anyway good luck! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 670 |
FONZ, I LIKE YOUR MASS PHASE, BUT ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THE CUTTING CYCLE RIGHT AFTER? 18 WEEKS ON THOSE HEAVY DRUGS SOUNDS A LITTLE HARSH ON YOUR SYSTEM WHEN ADDING THOSE 150MG OF FINA EVERY DAY. JUST MY .02. ANYWAYS GOOD LUCK AND KEEP US POSTED. ------------------ I am Conan, the Ironbarbarian back from the deep dark hell! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1481 |
quote: Well, you get pretty much the same sides at 1000mg /week than you do at 250,500mg. So why not start at 1000mg/week for great gains? I might drop the Deca to test out the test Vs Deca theory, but I'm a bit leery because Deca is probably the best mass steroid(in far as keepable gains are concerned). I'm still thinking about this..... The prop is just a theory of mine. Enanthate gives you relatively steady-state levels of test, so why not create a huge test spike(akin to a huge insulin spike post-WO) before a workout? Makes sense..... And while 250,500 might seem all well and good for a newbie, I don't think it would do much for me. 4 years use of andriol talking here........(20 tabs/day so 5600mg/weekly). Godspeed | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 462 |
at those great prices you get....you must be very wealthy ..good luck...make sure those ribs are healed | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 135 |
good luck. let us know how it works for you. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 125 |
thats a cycle i can relate to. bang out and grow bro | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 355 |
sides are not the same at 1000mg a week and at 200mg a week. That is not true at all!! That is a laughable idea. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1481 |
quote: Actually, the side effects are remarkably similiar. The only difference is greater gains+a slightly higher BP. Godspeed | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 2230 |
I like the whole idea. Of course you know I will tell you that you are wasting good deca using over 600mg, if there is such a thing as good deca. THERE ARE NO MAJOR DIFFERENCES IN SIDES USING TEST AT 1000MG OVER 200MG!!!! Must be a 2thick disciple. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1481 |
quote: LOL Ulter. Even though I love Deca, I don't think I could take another Deca vs Test thread. Every time somebody posts that kind of thread the whole thread just goes out of control. Godspeed | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1121 |
I love the whole thing Fonz. Was actually thinking about doing something similar for my next mass cycle leading up to my show in october. Looks solid... ------------------ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2066 |
WOW! I LIKE YOUR CYCLE FONZ, KEEP US UPDATED ON YOUR PROGRESS AND GOOD LUCK TO YOU!  M18 ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 156 |
Dude have you ever done Fina before? Highest I ever did was 150 EOD and that was plenty. I think you're inviting disaster with that high of dose. You may have your reasons, but I'd hate to see a good bro such as yourself grow a third eye or something Good Luck | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 709 |
I did Fina 75mg/ed for 10 weeks and after 5 weeks got Fina-dick, even I don't get one as much from Deca. You sure, you don't want to add Test to cutting cycle? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1481 |
Growing and panerai. I forgot to add that I'll be using RU-486 during the cutting cycle as well. It IS a progestin, and I'm dying to see if Finas effects are enhanced by the RU. Oh, and BTW, RU does in my case get rid of deca-dick as it blocks a huge portion of deca's ability to really shut down the HPTA by blocking most progesterone. So its safe to the assume that if the RU works for Deca it'll work for the Fina. E2 uses 225mg ED with no RU, now I find it REALLY HARD to believe he doesn't get Gyno from that...... Godspeed | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1244 |
fonz, you have mail... Mike001- ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 326 |
Damn dude, that's a hello of a lot of Test form someone that has never done it before. Good luck, hope it goes well. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 101 |
WOW keep us posted ! | ||
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Olympian 
Posts: 1648 |
1g test and you've never used it before. 1g deca, why? Personally I think it's overkill. I am dropping down on my next cycle starting Monday as I believe I was taking too much. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 78 |
Dude let me explain something to you and this is no bullshit. I used to laugh because i had more money than sense. I could afford whatever I wanted to do and did major overkill on more than one occassion and let me tell you what it got me. Liver problems. I didnt hear you metion milk thistle at all. at anything near those doses i would be eating 1gram 3 times per day. The suspension will make your hair fall out, trust me. I would drop it unless you are a professional powerlifter or something. you will be aggressive enough with the test e. cut your deca back to 4-600max mg/week. JUst trust me on this one. I think all you are gonna do by shocking your system this way is cause problems that will end your cycle quick. Im talking swollen ankles because your liver enzymes are more than double the highest. Let me also say this. I thought i was invincible until i went to the doctor for a blood test and told me my liver was shot. Im going for a liver biopsy next week because the last short cycle of only Trenbolone at 150mg EOD swelled my liver up to almost double normal. I'll get off my soapbox but take this with you. I would do 1gram test per week and do your dbols, deca at 400mg/wk. do this cycle for 10 weeks and use clomid for 3 weeks post cycle then if you want to bridge with primo and anavar for 4 weeks that would be not too bad. You got to take care of that liver and give your body some rest between cycles unless you dont ever want to cycle again if you get fatty liver or something worse. take your milk thistle and cut your fina back to 150mg EOD max. Again maybe you are a professional bb and dont care about your health but you dont think about it until its gone. be good bro and dont overdue it | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 154 |
massking how long did run trenbolone when you wrecked the liver? Hope it get better bro | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 78 |
i was on for 4 weeks. i dont know if it was the tren or just years of being hard on my body. i go next week for a biopsy, guess ill find out then. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 862 |
That cycle is NUTS, Fonz your gonna fuck yourself up, How old are you again? Another guy that thinks that more is better!! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 76 |
Fonz what do you pay for the ru-486. I am very prone to prgesteronic side affects and would love to use drugs like tren, anadrol, and deca. I got little lumps from 200mg deca a week, I was on nolvadex for estrogen, but nothing for progesterone. The lumps are almost gone now, and think they will disapear permanently. Is 200mg in one pill. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1933 |
dont like the deca in your cycle, but i never do anyway looks pretty cool to me ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 402 |
The deca is a complete waste! It takes more than 1 week for deca to kick in, I say save that deca for later. | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 43 |
Fonz, I wish you luck in whatever you decide to do, but I think massking made some good points. If you are going to go that heavy, don't do it to shut people up, do it because it makes sense. It seems to me that what you are planning is like learning to swim by jumping off a pier into the ocean. That's my humble opinion. | ||
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Novice 
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NOONE WANTS TO HEAR ANOTHER DECA VS TEST DEBATE, HUH? HOW ABOUT DECA VS EQ? EQ WINS HANDS DOWN IN MY BOOK-LOW SIDES, GREAT STRENGTH, GREAT NON AR MEDIATED EFFECTS-ALSO GETS IN AND OUT QUICK FOR DRUG TESTS AND IF SIDES ARE TOO BAD. AWESOME SHIT! OPINIONS ANYONE????? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 355 |
quote: This is the same guy who thinks gear is good for your cholesterol and improves your immune system and makes you shit smell like roses. Maybea there is no differrent in side effects between 200 per week and 1000 per week if you are also doing a shitload of other stuff like dbol, anadrol, deca, etc but alone there sure as hell is a large diference! I am talking about much more potential water bloating, much higher bp, much more red blood cells being produced to make your body have too much blood, much more screwed up cholesterol, much more stress on your liver, much more risk of gyno, much more risk of hair loss, the potential for "roid rage"/steroid psychosis and increased aggression/paranoia at those dosages (here it comes no such thing as roid rage, ya right! If you have anxiety and you are on roids you can lose it and have a "roid rage" PERIOD) and alot else. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 135 |
WOW,thats alot of gear why are you using novladex and arimidex shouldn't the arimidex all you need .i would say that the sides from 500mg of test to 1000mg would be different thats just me good luck keep us up to date | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 862 |
I totally agree with you DCS. 1000mgs of test added with the Suspension. If your just an average bodybuilder then I don't see the need for all these extreme doses. I'd be interested to see what kind of LBM you keep after your all done. That's if you finish your cycle. ------------------ | ||
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Mutant  
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DCS, not a flame just an observation. Alot of the info you have been giving out lately has been inaccurate. Peace Tell me how much greater the sides are between 250mgs and 1000mgs of esterified test? Negligible is the answer | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1426 |
One thing people are failing to note is the use of Arimidex. He's using a TON of it. The water retention will be kept to an extreme minimum. If it weren't for the pain associated with suspension injections, I'd give it a whirl also. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1481 |
quote: With a bit of luck I might get gold of some test prop powder, which I plan to convert with Lidocaine(which I managed to procure after a 3 month search for the damn stuff) into an injectable version. Pain from the prop injections is something I don't really want. Accordingto a few friends I've spoken to, lidocaine solves this problem quite dramatically. Godspeed | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 648 |
hey fonz, i'm doing 100 mgs of prop eod and no pain. i can barely feel something in the following days that remids me i injectet in that point, but that's all. of course i mix it with other stuff (primo,eq) but first time i did 200mgs to build up levels qick and i didn' mix anything to see how i was going to react. I hade a little pain in the following days but nothing terrible.I get VERY sore (can't walk for few days) after shooting 1cc of sus. So don't be afraid of pure propionate, try it even without litocaine and you'll be surprised. P. S. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1481 |
quote: Yes, got your mail. Godspeed | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 662 |
Fonz, We have to see the before and after pics this is going to be interesting to see the results. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 355 |
quote: Nothing I have said has been inaccurate if you are reading it correctly. You of course would think this since you with all your stars are an EXPERT of the ELITEFITNESSBOARD MAINSTREAM CONSENSUS ABOUT STEROIDS. Well let me tell you alot of the consesnus on this board is BS pushed by the guys with the highesdt stars who just hang around this board and tell people with info that doesn't fit their wrong ideas that they are stupid and should agree or leave. THen everyone gangs up on them becasue hey, they don't have as many stars. Finaly the argument is settled by someon saying, HEY I AM 300 pounds and 4 percent bodyfat so I know waht the hell I am doing! Guys with the most stars are more than anything just guys who know the elitefitnessboard way of doing things with steorids and the elitefitnessboard's ideas about steroids,which is not neccessarily the best way to do steroids nor the correct info about steroids. Do you notice that ronnie coleman doesn;t hang out at this board? DO any pro bb;'s come here and give info or listen to it? DO you know of any pro athletes or olympic athletes who come here? HELLL NO! they woudl laugh at this site and be completely board! I understand that you like myself have extensive experience with test dosages so you are basing your claims on your own experience like myself. However do you use enanthate prop or cypionate or do you mostly use sust? WIth sust the difference between 250mg per week and 1000mg per week is not evident for a while due to the long half life of the ester, so in the short run the idea that there is no difference in sides is correct. I can not believe that you are a member of the human race, consistently use good full dosed A pharmaceutical grade USA/western eruopean testosterone enatntate cypionate, proprionate and have not noticed tremendous differences in side effects betwen 250mg and 1000mg. I can't believe it! something must be going on. THe mental effects for one are tremendously different. I bearily even feel 250 but with 1000 I sometimes feel like I am going to go absolutely insame unless I pop a valium or a sleeping pill. THis side efffect alone constitutes a tremendous difference. Even if there weren'ty many other side effects which their are by the dozens, this alone would be enough to say there are tremendous differences in sides. (NOw as for the suspension, that's a whole different fucking ball game, real grade a suspension is serious dam stuff that will cause extreme changes in your body over a very short period of time depending on the dose).. THere is a difference between 10 beers and 2 beers isn't there? SO why not with testosterone. It is not this magical compound which in every case humanly imaginable more is better more is better and nothing bad happens the more that is taken. Considering a vast majority of people on this board are college students including yourself how do you really claim to know anytihng. ARe you a doctor rresearch scientist?!!! NO! what you are is pushing dangerous and incorrect info to other real human beings who are going to get hurt (if anything by growing big boobs and looking stupid) because they foolishly believe that you know what the hell you are talking about. At the worst they are doing subtle yet seriosu damage to their internal organs by having bps and blood hematocrits that are way off the dam charts. IS this a flame? No. Just a very vehment and asserive INTELLIGENT arguement. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 515 |
Coleman is not here because this cycle is a bridge for him. He DOES think more is better, and he's proved his point. I like it all but the deca at 1000, then again I dont have access to RU. Even so with all that test 600 of deca would suffice. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by DCS: [B] Nothing I have said has been inaccurate if you are reading it correctly. You of course would think this since you with all your stars are an EXPERT of the ELITEFITNESSBOARD MAINSTREAM CONSENSUS ABOUT STEROIDS. Well let me tell you alot of the consesnus on this board is BS pushed by the guys with the highesdt stars who just hang around this board and tell people with info that doesn't fit their wrong ideas that they are stupid and should agree or leave. THen everyone gangs up on them becasue hey, they don't have as many stars. Finaly the argument is settled by someon saying, HEY I AM 300 pounds and 4 percent bodyfat so I know waht the hell I am doing! Guys with the most stars are more than anything just guys who know the elitefitnessboard way of doing things with steorids and the elitefitnessboard's ideas about steroids,which is not neccessarily the best way to do steroids nor the correct info about steroids. Do you notice that ronnie coleman doesn;t hang out at this board? DO any pro bb;'s come here and give info or listen to it? DO you know of any pro athletes or olympic athletes who come here? HELLL NO! they woudl laugh at this site and be completely board! I understand that you like myself have extensive experience with test dosages so you are basing your claims on your own experience like myself. However do you use enanthate prop or cypionate or do you mostly use sust? WIth sust the difference between 250mg per week and 1 DCS, I could flame the shit out of you for that post due to the fact THAT YOU DID NOT POST ONE SINGLE BIT OF SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE. People like IG, myself, Stew, Huck, Ulter, Macro, and like 30-40 other vets of the board have already discussed this in a SCIENTIFIC fashion at another board for ages. IG will tell you exactly the same thing. This information is like a second nature to us, and there is no need to regurgitate said information to other people that already have this knowledge. Go to Medline AND LOOK IT UP!!!! And if you're mentally unbalanced because of the test its not our problem. Increase in hematocrit you say? It doesn't go past 55 at 1000mgs/week, and this is considered safe. High BP? This is directly related to an increase in hematocrit. To high for you? Use BP meds to bring it down. Just give it up DCS. We'll vapourize you. And wait till IG ses your post.....LOL Godspeed Godspeed etc.... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 862 |
Fonz: Those dosages are nuts!! Unless you are a professional bodybuilder why would you want to do those extreme dosages especially when you are a virgin to Test. It's just fucking LUDICROUS. I'd hate to be around you when your on that cycle. You'd be an emotional fucking wreck! Fucking Insane!!! ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 355 |
There are no studies to support my ideas. SHow me ones that disprove it! Androgens are have not been exhaustively researched so there is alot of stuff people don't know. ALl my ideas are based on first hand experience. I still dodn't ever think you have ever gotten reall testosterone cyp prop or enanthat if you don't think that 1000mg will not makes you feel different than 250mg testosterone. I have an article for this and I will post it. Also where did you get the idea that your hematocrit stops at 55 with a gram of test regardless fo rhow long you use it and witht what else you use it with????? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 355 |
Estrogen causes anemia. If you use lot sof antiestrogens as would be the case with 1000mg of test the antianemic effects of this androgen would casue hematocrit values to rise significantly especially given a month or so to do this. THe study you refered to is wrong and unimportant to our discussion. I stand by the TRUTH , there are exponentialy more side effects to taking 100mg of a short acting testosterone ester as opposed to taking 250mg of a short acting testosterone ester. One will make you bigger but you risk unealhy side effects in doing so. This si the truth, know it and make your descicicion. DOn't rely on otjher people' insecurities regarding their health because they don't want to think that they are casuing themselves more side effects by cycling 1000mg per week than 250 mg per week. Its denial. I bet Iron game wont even respond vback to this post because he has so sht the truth from his mind. I have taken 1000mg a week and I know that the side effects were worse and I took steps to minimisze them such as donating blood , but inevitably I just dealt with many I couldn;t do anything about. Now I don't use over 600 becasue I think its not really worth it. NOw will 1000mg a week plus 100mg a day of suspension give any different side effects than either 250mg per week alone or 1000mg per week alone/ HELL YA. YOu might get so much test in you that the arimidex you are taking simply wont be able to compete for the aromatase receptor and will be overwhelmed. THere is such as thing as intense lethargy at really really high dosages such as these. This might happen. Iron game, you and your disciples are just ignorinmg the facts to make yourdselves feel beter. Its the asame with the estrogen. You don't understand it. All you know is you want ot find out it is good for you to make yourselves feel beter about all the times you took too much. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Pro Bodybuilder
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perhaps the 1000mg deca will dilute the whole test bomb a little and make the cycle not so bad as far as some side effects go. THis i don't know. I don't know EVERYTHING like IRON GAME! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 515 |
No fuckface you are the moron, put down the crackpipe and listen to what your mental superiors are telling you. 250mgs of test is enough to shut down natural test, and produce minimal if any gains. Side effects are easy to control with test, with the proper ancilleries. Whether or not Fonz should do this high amount for a first time on test is one thing, I'd tell him to start with 500 to see how he reacts. But he didn't ask. You suggesting 250 as a cycle is assinine. Unless you weigh 135lbs.
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 355 |
I DIDNT FUCKING SSUGGEST 250 mg as a cycle YOU DUMB UGLY NO PUSSY GETTING FUCK. I WAS SAYING THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN SIDE EFFECTS BETWEEN 250 mg and 1000mg. MAN YOU ARE JUST A MORON HOW DUMB ARE YOU?? DID YOU FLUNK OUT OF MIDDLE SCHOOL? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 355 |
YOU COULND"T EVEN FOLLOW WHAT I AHD TO SAY! IT WENT IN ONE EAR AND OUT THE OTHER MY LORD YOU ARE A MORON! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 355 |
THE ONLY THING I SUGGESTED THAT HE DIDNT USE WAS SUSPENSION. FUCKFACE? FUCKFACE? YOU ARE A SAD DUMB PERSON> I WISh you luck in all your misery, truly I do. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 355 |
I mean you just come on and call me a fuckface for something you totally make up. Its all right here, do you see me suggesting 250mg to him?!!! Anywhere??? YOu just made that up because you want somehting to make me look stupid because you want to agree with Iron man because he has more stars than me proving my point 100percent. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 515 |
Ok DiCS sucker you win I'm a idiot you feel better? P.S. Your all alone... [This message has been edited by anabolic24/7 (edited April 12, 2001).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 355 |
congratulations anabolic you win the elitefitnes board popularity contest for the day (I guess at least that's what I assume you are implying). Be proud | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 355 |
ANyways I don't think I am alone. I think you are alone on this. YOu have contributed nothing here except moroninc off subject comments and then called me a fuckface for allegedly saying something I didn't say. I'd say that anyone who has to comment on this, wether they think I am right about the other issues or not would agree that you are one annoying person who had no right to post anything that he did here on this thread | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 515 |
quote: Last response to you, I have no desire to get in a pissing contest. |
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posted April 10, 2001 06:15 PM
