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Moderator 
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I will include a quick not on the socioeconomic status of Mexico. It is considered a developing nation (once referred to as the 3rd world). Its has a very primitive manufacturing industry. It also has limited native technology (unless it being utilized by a foreign company). The government is very aristocratic and nepotistic. The regulatory bureaucracy is highly corrupt. The weak regulations that are in place are hardly ever enforced due to the corruption within the regulatory agencies. This is why I do not use Mexican gear. This is why I do not recommend Mexican gear. If you want to take a chance (no matter how small) of getting an infection from a bunk batch, then be my guest and use it. I have too much respect for my body and I would hope you do too. It is a gamble I am not willing to take.     | ||
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Mutant  
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I think I hear Damian coming already.  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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i think the reason its so popular is its easy to get unlike european its little harder to get . | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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That's what makes the "black market" so cool- people have the ability to choose what products they want to use. If they don't trust products from India, Mexico, Thailand, etc- they don't have to use them because as far as I know, sources don't force their customers to buy products from them. If a customer doesn't like what their source (or a particular country) has to offer, they can go elsewhere. [This message has been edited by Damian Borleone (edited April 09, 2001).] | ||
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Moderator
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Guru   
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well its been about 6 mos since your last anti-mex post lol guess I should have known it was coming. 2thicks view is an older persons perspective, admitedly back many years ago it held credence, now its just not true. People take them, get big, and dont have any more problems than any other gear takers. Thats that. ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1170 |
amen slopain.. you got it | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 130 |
slopain what are you tring to say 2thick is an old man | ||
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Mutant
Posts: 3081 |
I'd have to disagree with you Slopain. Ever since I started taking that Mexican stuff, Taco Bell sounds really good....Or it might be because there's a Taco Bell on the way home from the gym. | ||
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Moderator
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quote: Nothing has changed in Mexico. In fact, NAFTA has made conditions worse in Mexico. People should be more careful than ever when using Mexican gear. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 881 |
2Thick, in the past you've recommended Denkall's gear to people. This confuses me because Denkall is a Mexican Company who contracts with a lab in Mexico to make Ultragan, Dbol & Decanandrolen. Care to explain? | ||
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Moderator
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quote: Please find the post where I explicity recommended it and I will explain then. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: I have to side with 2Thick on this one. European gear is still much more reliable than mexican. However, we all have price constraints and for each european vial of gear you could get 2 mexican ones. 3 years ago I wouldn't have touched mex.gear with a 100 ft pole, but things change. Ttokkyo(as an example) recognized the market value of cheap(compared to Europe) yet clean/safe gear, and they strived for this. For the older generation(22+ yars old) prices aren't really a BIG issue. But for the newbie gear user nowadays(16,17,18), PRICE is a serious issue. I don't doubt they but a lot of cheap ass Brovel products because of this. Godspeed | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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bro waht about tookoy labs?they are good...and some other labs down there too are good to..... ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice 
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Sounds a very racist comment, I'm sick and tired of people that put down Mexico, I always get real and good stuff from there, don't be assholes and hypocrites, I have read of many guy form this forum going to TJ and getting their gear. You guys should be thankful that gear in Mexico is legal and you don't need prescription to get them. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Cool Novice
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Slopain ...do you work for ttokkyo or one of the other mexican companies?...you get very defensive whenever anyone says they dislike mexican gear. I know you know your shit..but why does your opinion on mexican gear have to be the only right opinion? [This message has been edited by justinf22 (edited April 09, 2001).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: No offense, but I happen to be spanish(probably the only one in this thread), and I like mexico. No problems from this end. Godspeed | ||
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Cool Novice
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quote: With respect to you, Fonz and 2Thick, and anybody else who mistrusts TT, I think the burden of proof lies with the deniers. If the stuff works, then it's up to you to find out what else could be wrong with it, then offer up the proof. TT is apparently cheaper than anything else, but if it's dirty or underdosed, nobody will use it and be proud to say so, no matter how cheap it gets. Would you suggest that TT is betting the success of their whole company on cheap, shitty products, while hoping that nobody tests them? I say somebody get it tested, but in the meantime if it keeps your horses happy and huge.... | ||
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Cool Novice
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I fuckin love mexican gear...No hassle to get and with ttokkyo's high dosage shit , it's even better now!!....im just wondering why people get mad at the people who dislike mexican gear. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Here I have to agree with Slopain. I have cycled on and off with serious breaks for 10years. During my time I have almost exclusively used Mex gear because it is easily accessable from where I live (Cali). I have never had a single problem with Mex gear. As long as you educate yourself, so you can make good choices, the results will be great. I can take a run across the border and get stuff I know is real, for a price I know is great. If I want to use Euro gear I gotta go through the ordering process and risk getting ripped or counterfeits. Given the choice I will take Mex gear anyday. I can assure you if you make educated choices, the results will absolutely be on a par with any Euro gear... After all what is the difference between Euro test, or Winny, ect and Mexican??? I think its a big mistake and fairly close minded to blanketly dismiss a group of products based on the status of a goverment and its bureaucracies. After all we take a chance every time we inject ourselves with AS or take that pill whatever it may be (T3, AS, Clen, ect, ect, ect) [This message has been edited by 1Banshee (edited April 09, 2001).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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No offense, but I happen to be spanish(probably the only one in this thread), and I like mexico. No problems from this end. Godspeed[/B][/QUOTE] If you're spanish then you're spaniard.(from Spain) Not exactly Mexican there bud. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: If you're spanish then you're spaniard.(from Spain) Not exactly Mexican there bud. [/B][/QUOTE] Ok, but being spanish gives me a better understanding of mexicans as we speak the same language. Godspeed | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Once again 2Thick tries to sway the masses with his demonic views....heh heh heh....the products are only as good as the quality control under which they are produced... Got stock in Organon eh 2Thick....Nothing wrong with Mex products, and we take a chance with whatever we put into our bodies, whether tab or oil...tis the gamble of the game we play so well... Price says it all, and the gains speak for themselves. And to those you will say had an infection, how do we know of the conditions under which they injected...??? Just a thought fer ya midget.... heh heh heh...Game on...!!! BZR | ||
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Moderator
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Bottom line-REPEAT CUSTOMERS.I have yet to see anyone who's used Ttokkyo's products claim they won't use them again.In fact,it's just the opposite.Bash it all you want,but repeat users tell the TRUE story... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: NOTHING WRONG WITH MEXICAN GEAR NADA MALO CON LOS ANABOLICOS MEXICANOS AMIGO MIO ------------------ I am Conan, the Ironbarbarian back from the deep dark hell! | ||
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Moderator
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quote: LMAO....... I see your spanish is getting better bro. Genome<> ------------------ [This message has been edited by Genome (edited April 09, 2001).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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2Thick- some of you're quotes: 1) Hercules: I was just wondering about the quality of steroids available in Mexico? 2Thick: I personally don't like it too much. I would only use denkal myself.
2Thick: Ultragan made with the highest standards (relatively speaking).
2Thick: I don't like vet gear but Ultra is by far the best.
2Thick: Ultragan is the best choice. Thai are okay too.
2Thick: It is usually referred to as the best EQ.
2Thick: I would go with Denkall. If you can, go with Norma.
2Thick: If I had to choose the "best" Eq, then I would have to go with Ultragan. It is the cleanest of them all. 2Thick, it seems odd that you would be recomending and speaking so highly of Ultragan when it is #1) a mexican steroid, #2) a veterinary steroid and #3) a mexican veterinary steroid. If you are so anti- number's 1,2 & 3 why wouldn't you be suggesting that these people not use this product at all, or at least opt for the "safer" american or australian versions (fort dodge or ilium)? If your recomendation is based on your belief that Denkall is an Australian company (like you've previously stated), then I can understand why you'd suggest the use of their product(s)- but now that you know Denkall isn't an Australian company (btw the name is "Denkall Mexicana") what is your opinion of their products? And would you still use Denkall's steroids knowing that 5 out of the 7 steroids they offer are manufactured in Mexico and Colombia? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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2Thick = The ever-vigilant �antagonist�. Heh heh  | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: I agree... Some people always want to say shit like "the world as a collective unit makes better sterods than mexico" or "all of Europe ("EUROPEAN") makes better steroids than Mexico"- damn people, didn't you pay attention in Geography class? Mexico is one friggin' country, so compare apples w/apples and dildos w/dildos. I challenge anybody to name ONE COUNTRY (1 country does not equal "UNION" either) that offers the selection/diversity and (for the most part) good pricing that Mexico has? Btw if Mexico's products were so shitty you wouldn't have HUGE distributors (legal & illegal) from the UK, Spain, Australia, Brazil(basically all of South America & Central America), Canada, etc showing interest in certain Mexican veterinary products. I've been "shopping" in Mexico for almost 10 years and as far as I'm concerned you can't beat the place. | ||
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Guru
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No I dont work for any companies, I party down in mexico and made some friends there - I buy gear for me only and like to keep abreast of the situation down there - I only get defensive when people get offensive with things I know not to be true - how else am I supposed to get?? Put yourself in my shoes - you are 100% sure something is right, and for some ODD reason it seems there is always a few people that say no your wrong - like all the gains everyone makes is imagined lol then from there the will say bacteria - well nope lab tests and real life prove that wrong - then they say bioavalabilty and I laugh - then the say Well Mexico is a shit hole (which I take offense to) and is uncapable of making quality anything. So when you see me getting "defensive" just relize I have been here for years and every so often this comes up its nothing new. Mr 2Thick is a stand up guy, I know this - I just cant understand why he is so liberal in political situations (see the chat board for his views - although he doesnt like to be labeled he identifies somewhat with marxist views I believe thats what he said dont quote me though) anyways and then he comes and sounds all racist or nationalist or whatever saying these people are no capable of making quality products. I see a conflict there. damn good searching skills db.. heh heh ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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2thick? jump back in at any time. | ||
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Olympian 
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i am with 2Thick here. The standards they use in Mexico are not the US or European standards. But Slopain, we already had such a discussion, remember? I am not saying do not use it, but to look at it the right way. So yes, 2Thick is RIGHT. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short | ||
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Guru
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Yes Jeff I do recall that discussion, I recall all of these discussions they have happened numerous times over the past 2 years. Actually Mex, USA, Europe all do have the same standards so that argument is not valid - you should be arguing saying that the difference is between HUMAN and VET drugs - thats your argument (your welcome) and to that I say most of the vet copanies know exactly who they market too (North American Bodybuilders) knowing this they create the products to Human standards although they are licensed vet - why? Quicker and cheaper to bring to the market. So this lets us use Equipoise at 200mg/ml while all your human companies are still at 50mg/ml. The deca at 300mg/ml. AFFORDABLE ANAVAR. Economical sustanons and testosterones. Anyways I relize people will always have their particuliar preference for whatever reason and I'm ok with this - just choose your words tactifully when debating - you can say you prefer a certain genre of AAS and the reasons why, but thye have to be valid. I use both human and vet drugs - I use whatever suites my needs best. I relize they both work well and they both have there place (in my glutes!!! ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: Hence my comment above. Later, | ||
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Cool Novice
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Just my .02, the majority of gear I get comes from Mexico - my source gets it easier there than anywhere else. And after 4 cycles and in the midst of my 5th currently, I've had no problems....unless you consider being too strong for your gym a problem! I do notice the dosages vary in the bottles though, sometimes short and sometimes a little more. ------------------ | ||
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Freak
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Huckleberry has this right. 2Thick has every right to bash whomever he likes and he exercises that right quite often and quite often he is dead wrong, but that doesn't stop him, nor should it. Damian, Slopain and others trumpet the advantages of Mexican gear whenever someone dares speak against it. But like Huck says this battle will be determined like all the rest in a capitalist free market. These products will flourish or fade and a post on this or any board will not determine their success. THE MARKETPLACE WILL DECIDE. Anyone who doubts this has not been paying attention. ------------------ | ||
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Mutant
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2Thick you claimed in your post Mexico is what was known as a third world country. Care to elaborate on Anabols and what kind of a country Thailand is? I have never heard a single complaint from Anabol users. Or how about Napoisms from Romania, or Bionabols from Bulgaria? How about clen Spiropent from Bulgaria? The best clen on the market. Sustanon Karachi's? Nile Sustanon? Peace ------------------ E2's Steroid Pictures Pictures of many different drugs. AJC' Steroid Profiles Profiles of many different steroids 2Thick's Injection Procedures Site Complete with Pictures and Diagrams! Finaplix by Mr H A complete guide to Fina [This message has been edited by The_Iron_Game (edited April 10, 2001).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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quote: Sorry, hate to burst your bubble but TT is not the cheapest. Go to EGYPT!!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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quote: SWEEEEEEEEEET Reply!!!! | ||
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Moderator
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I use Mexican gear all the time! ALL THE TIME! Let me tell you a little secret, 87% of all football players go to Mexico to shoot their gear. If it's that dirty then why the hell would a millionaire use it? ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
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quote: Pleae don't make fun of a post if you don't understand it. I would be more than happy to make it simpler for you. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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is this repeat what you say 3 times day? | ||
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Moderator
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Now I know how 2thick has so many posts!LOL. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Here we go again... When was the last time you've inspected Tornel or Ttokkyo labs? My guess is that you haven't. I would damn near call you a racist as you've obviously pigeonholed the entire Mexican race as primitive. You need to educate yourself better before laying this blanket of opinion. ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
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quote: Those are some really great quotes. They make me proud You are pulling at strings, boy. When only given a diphyletic choice I opted for the superior product. The best product in that was Denkall. EQ is hardly ever made outside of Latin America so if a person wants to use EQ then I will recommend Ultragan. I disagree with use of Mexican products in general. There are always exceptions to a rule and there always will be. Utilizing three examples does not exhibit a pattern. I am sure you have gotten your lips off of Ttokkyo's ass for a minute and said another company was worth using, but that doesn't stop making you LOVE Ttokkyo unconditionally, does it? I didn't think so. Stop trying to make things up without proof. | ||
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quote: Apparently you have absolutely no knowledge of economics, or world systems. I love the way you call me racist for talking about a country's economic and social conditions. It is very common for a person that has nothing constructive to say to resort to emotional name-calling. Good job...you have convinced me that I am more right than ever before. | ||
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Moderator
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quote: Mexico= 3rd world Romania, Thailand, Bulgaria, Pakistan, and Egypt = Progressive Developing countries (or 2nd world). They are not the same thing. [This message has been edited by 2Thick (edited April 10, 2001).] | ||
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Moderator
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quote: Why whatever do you mean... | ||
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Cool Novice
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quote: Diphyletic - adj: derived from two lines of descent. I'm going to start using this word at work. Somebody will ask me where I heard it. I'll say "Yeah, I got it off of a bodybuilding and steroid board." | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: You obviously know nothing about the current status of Mexico and the Mexican pharmaceutical market. Before you make a judgement, and a blanket judgement at that, get your facts straight. Ttokkyo doesn't just make products for the veterinary market. They are also a subcontractor for some of the major pharmaceutical companies of the world such as Smith-Kline Beecham and Novartis. Therefore, they have to follow their rules of manufacturing to keep their agreement. This has nothing to do with Mexico being a "dirty" place. Plus, Ttokkyo obviously knows where their anabolic market is... if they sold dirty, underdosed gear, then they would lose their customers. Can you say "Brovel"? Hardly anyone buys their stuff anymore due to old reputation. This is one thread that the mysterious hackers should delete. It obviously has no merit since it was started by someone with no knowledge on the topic. ------------------ | ||
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quote: Now you are just hurting my feelings Okay, I will play along..... What stops the manufacturers from cutting corners that may not make the gear "dirty" but may make it more diluted and less effective? Well according to my post, the government that hires the inspectors is inherently corrupt. That means that you are not very sure of the quality. That means it is a bad gamble. That means that I wouldn't take the chance. That means that it is my opinion and only a fascist would try to silence it. A true liberalist would state their opinion and let the readers decide. So, are you a fascist or liberalist? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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I'm not a big fan of Mexico the way it is... ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
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Cut it out,you marxist | ||
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Moderator
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quote: Huck, I would imagine that you would also be a Marxist if you knew more about it. Marxism is mainly within the intelligentia because it is much to much to know for an average Joe. Although, it would sometimes be better to just NOT know the truth.... | ||
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Guru
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quote: In real debating that tactic is called 'poisoning the well' and has no credence lol, gotta love our underhanded thick friend. ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) | ||
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Cool Novice
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quote: So am I supposed to say I got the word "diphyletic" off of a marxist bodybuilding and steroid board? Nobody will believe that. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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I am very happy with mexican gear! Never had problems with it and never known anyone who has had problems with it. By the way, the sust250 i get from mexico is from india under licensing from organon holland. I know that they get audited. Its safe!!! We have a few dumb asses on the board that talk out of their ass and everyone else follows em like sheep. You guys can keep paying the high prices while i get mine for a fraction for same quality. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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quote: You're a dumbass for not knowing that products sold in Mex pharms are not all made in Mex you fucking idiot. He is talking about shit that is made in Mex, you stupid newbie. Learn how to fucking read. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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It's almost offensive the degree to which this thread has attracted contributors. Apparently, I am just as fool hardy so I might as well throw in my measly $.02. The topic in question is quite obviously opinionated conjecture based upon the personal life experiences of one person and bares little on the reality of present day issues. I will agree that Brovel and Tornel acquired a reputation which did them little justice within it's consumer base. As a result people began to loath and avoid Mexican pharmacuticals. However, with the rise of Ttokkyo and established companies like Deknall times have changed. European pharmaceuticals are no longer the only viable options for competative athletes. TTOKKYO isn't going to repeat the sins of its predecessors. Ulter's point quite clearly illustrates the single underlieing reality behind all this debate. The consumers will determine the merits of any company's products! ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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It's almost offensive the degree to which this thread has attracted contributors. Apparently, I am just as fool hardy so I might as well throw in my measly $.02. The topic in question is quite obviously opinionated conjecture based upon the personal life experiences of one person and bares little on the reality of present day issues. I will agree that Brovel and Tornel acquired a reputation which did them little justice within it's consumer base. As a result people began to loath and avoid Mexican pharmacuticals. However, with the rise of Ttokkyo and established companies like Deknall times have changed. European pharmaceuticals are no longer the only viable options for competative athletes. TTOKKYO isn't going to repeat the sins of its predecessors. Ulter's point quite clearly illustrates the single underlieing reality behind all this debate. The consumers will determine the merits of any company's products! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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All I can say is 2 bottles of Brovel T200 gave me the worst back acne I ever had, with deep scarring and everything. No other Test, EVER had that effect on me. Sometimes I get one or two big zits, but that's it. I got a horrible rash like pussy zit back from that Brovel, so I don't like it. Just My 2 cents | ||
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Mutant
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NAFTA was and still is wonderful for the drug trade. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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yep 2Thick i'm with u on this one, in a perfect world i woulden't touch mex gear ,sure i wont touch vet gear, and wont dream about using that fishy gear from Romania, Thailand, Bulgaria, Pakistan, and Egypt. but i'm not in a perfect world and i use what i can get (i've actually used very little mex gear-but that's because i'm on the other side of the world) ,and good old mex have some very cheap gear. just my .2 | ||
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Cool Novice
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To all you guys bitching about gear around the world. If you don't like a certain type of gear, don't do it. Different people have different prefs. Joe | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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P.S. so u think that from all the above reasones (from u're original post) Pakistany gear is better then mex? | ||
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Moderator
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If I had to make a choice then I would go with Pakistani over Mexican products. | ||
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Cool Novice
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I tend to agree with 2thick. Mexican gear is probably OK, but I would rather not take a chance with a bottle that has a fuck!ng horses head on it. I am human I use human products. I also stick to European manufacturers. I have too much respect for my body to put potential garbage into it. Although I am going to do some Finaject, so I guess I am a hypocrite... of course that has a nice American Cow on the package, so that's OK. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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so many people"tend to agree" with 2thick , but then they spew some regulations and socioeconomic shit. NEVER do they say", i agree with 2thick because it's true as hell, and I have a big infected ass cheek right now". out of all these damn posts, not one person said that, so I dont think Ill worry yet. | ||
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Moderator
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As a quick note to the geniuses that use the "nobody has complained about Mex gear yet" excuse, should know that steroid users on the Internet make up only about 1%-5% of all steroid users. Also people on the net are more educated than the average user. So just because 300 people on this site have not had this problem does not mean it doesn't exist. | ||
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Cool Novice
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quote: I have known people who have done some shitty Brovel stuff and had abcesses, but that may have been because they were stupid kids with unclean injection procedures. If you have had no problems, Great! I hope you never have to go to the doctor to get a puss boil on you ass drained. I would rather not take the chance. I don't know why you guys that use Mex stuff are getting so upset... Think of it this way... More horse roids for you!! | ||
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Cool Novice
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quote: Yeah, but one of the guys here volunteered to put his head on it. That's got to count for something. Besides, at least it looks like a live horse. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Two points: First, saying you don't trust something Second, I balk at the assumption that quality | ||
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Moderator
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quote: Good argument but cutting corners would support making more profit and keeping up with the competition...hence being very much capitalist. |
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