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TheGoodandTheBad

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posted April 08, 2001 08:31 PM

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Hello to all at Elitefitness! It has been quite sometime since I have been online. I have missed talking to all of my old friends on Elitefitness and Australian Muscle. For several years I wrote, consulted, and for some time of that period I lived in Mexico. My love for consulting and keeping people safe never ended when I had to get out of the game. During my time as a online consultant I have saved many the undue hardship of lancing an abscess, or getting an nasty infection. It is something I have taken great pride in. Exposing the quality of supplements, the good, the bad, and to say the least the downright ugly, became something I enjoyed. I am looking forward to contributing to this fine board, as I once did. For those who might know me, know me for my online consulting on all subjects dealing with growth factors, i.e IGF-1, IGF-2, TGF-1a, and different protocols that my old company worked with. During my time online, I exposed numerous scammers, bunk product (some downright dangerous to use, including a 100ml vial of penicillin with a Stanazolic label!), and worked with several top pro trainers and competitors. I am looking forward to contributing here, and hope to be of assistance to anyone who has those hard to answer questions. Soon, I am comming out with a hardcore newsletter which contains an extensive counterfit section, nutritional info, cutting EDGE growth factor info, and info on whats GOOD, whats BAD, and whats downright UGLY! Your a great board Elite!


Grow Massive
The New Edge...Aiden C


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METHYL MIKE

Amateur Bodybuilder

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posted April 08, 2001 08:33 PM

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BE CAREFUL HOW YOU WORD YOUR ARTICLES-TALK LIKE YOUR SMART AND THEY'LL CALL YOU A FED!


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ultragainz

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posted April 08, 2001 08:37 PM

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LOL

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NO SWEAT!!! NO BLOOD!!! NO TEARS!!!
AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE!!!!!
P.S.GAMEOVER!!!!!


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Stew Meat

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posted April 08, 2001 08:42 PM

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lol @ meth...

Where'd that come from?

Its nice to have another high quality poster on the board. Looking forward to hearing form you.
Here's your first IGF-1 question...

How can you order it from overseas? I have a source that has it and I was thinking about ordering some. Isn't it supposed to be kept cold 24/7? Or is it like two part GH?

-Stew


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40butpumpin

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posted April 08, 2001 09:00 PM

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Gee Meth, does that mean I need to make some gramatical, spelling, or punctuation errors to be "excepted" here? Wow, I don't know, I'm kind of anal about my writing...hmmm.


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Haywood Jablome

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posted April 08, 2001 09:02 PM

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TGATB, have you heard anything about Loeffler sustanon? Most people here haven't used it, but one or two say it's junk. I have two vials, and I'm trying to figure out if I need to get a different brand.

Thanks!

Haywood


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TheGoodandTheBad

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posted April 09, 2001 03:39 PM

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Stew,

First of all I would like to cover a few basics with you about IGF-1. IGF-1 and 2 are very, very delicate hormones. When I say delicate, I mean the fact that it can be destroyed by the slightest exposure to UV rays, sound, a rapid change of temperature which a range of 2 degrees celsius can be enough to disrupt the chemical make-up of the molecule. You need to ask your distributor these questions: will he send it in a UV proof container. What type of insulation does the shipping container have and last but not least, is he going to ship it overnight with enough dry ice to keep it below 0 degrees F? If any single one of these variables change during the shipping, guess what, your Insulin like growth factor now becomes shit. Be careful on what you buy as IGF-1. Also, the preparation that you willl be using, is it bacteriostatic water with HCL (Hydrochloric Acid), because the HCL is necessary to keep the IGF-1 active in the solution for longer than 48 hours. With the right preparation it can last frozen for up to three months. Once you get your bottle, let it sit in a dark room, and I mean dark, for the solution to thaw. Then pre-load each insulin syringe and then re-freeze. But anyway, be safe! You never know what your getting. Try to use a reputable biosciences company like Gro-Pep Australia, or JRH Biosciences.

Be safe and smart...

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mor123

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posted April 09, 2001 04:57 PM

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YO THEGOODANDTHEBAD!

You seem intent on helping so here it goes. First cycle. Finabolan and suspension or fina and winny-v. I would like to keep the water retention down if I could but then again size is nice too. Any warnings or suggestions on any of these? Prices?


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TheGoodandTheBad

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posted April 09, 2001 05:37 PM

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Mor,

If you want my advice, I wouldnt start out with Trenbolone Acetate. First of all, It is harsh on your anabolic receptor sites, very similar to Anadrol 50 in the downgrade effect that it can have. For your first cycle I would go with Deca, a low dosage of Testosterone, and Methandriol Dipropionate to prevent receptor downgrade and sensitize your receptor sites to the new anabolic drugs that you are introducing. See all of your life your body has produced around 8-10 NG/DL, which is a very little amount. But a slight increase in that very little amount is responsible for the twenty to thirty pound increase in muscle girth when you hit puberty. You see where I am going here? Think in a sense that your muscles are connected to a circuit board, that circuit board only has enough space to support a certain amount of information, if you overload the circuit board you burn the pathways up and you get no message. And as you know, a hormone is a messenger. You see? Think of the numerous guys out there who are jacked up on 2 grams a week of juice and still cant get over 250. Hmmmm. You must allow your body to grow the appropriate level of receptors to support your increasing androgen usage, which means go up gradually with increasingly stronger hormones which means you must crawl before you walk. If you want to be massive in the future and healthy, and last but not least alive, take my advice. And as far as the Finabolan, go with Parabolan if you can get it. TRUST NO ONE ON THE PURITY OF HANDMADE FINA PRODUCTS. Unless your like myself who worked under a sterile hood preparing these preparations for myself, where I would test the sterility myself. DONT FUCK UP, and stay safe. GOOD LUCK!

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Aiden


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Krusher

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posted April 09, 2001 06:59 PM

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Although I disagreed with you on your other post (sorry) I was wondering if you could tell me the proper way to use t3 with gh..everyone says gh and t3 work synergistically together but what is the proper dosind schedule for the t3? Is it the usual ramp up then down over a 4-6 week period or a low dose (ie 25-50mcg daily) throughout the lenght of the gh cycle.


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Stew Meat

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posted April 09, 2001 07:25 PM

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Good and Bad, don't be like other guys on this board who like to talk big. You probably know a lot about GH and IGF-1, but you have just shown that your knowlege of AS is VERY limited.
Fina (trenbelone) is AR-mediated meaing that it binds to the androgen receptor. Receptors will NOT downregulate. Infact, studies show that receptors UPREGULATE in response to exogenous androgens.
A "slight increase" from your natural test levels won't yeild any signifigant anabolic response.
You can not "burn up" the anabolic pathway as you say. In fact, as I said before, receptors become MORE sensitive and INCREASE in number in response to high testosterone (or other androgen) dossage.
Testosterone will also INCREASE the number of IGF-1 receptors.
And fina is very easy to sterilize. It contains no fillers and no binders. Crush it, strain it, and heat it at 250 degrees for (3) 15 minute cycles.

I know that you are a knowlegable person, but don't try to answer things that are outside of your realm of expertise until you hang around the board a while and learn about AS.


-Stew


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TheGoodandTheBad

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posted April 10, 2001 08:16 AM

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Well I do guess that the studies that have been done by JRH Biosciences researchers aren't correct, right. And the fact that some people cant gain after their third or fourth cycle even with thier dosages far exceed 1 1/2 grams weekly. Explain to me further in depth about this then.

Aiden


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Krusher

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posted April 10, 2001 08:18 AM

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Aiden..can you please answer my question above..Thanks.


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TheGoodandTheBad

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posted April 10, 2001 08:29 AM

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Krusher, im at work and have to run right know, but I will get back to you further on this. I personally would keep the t3 at a steady dosage of 25mcgs. I never liked to fuck with my t3. I never had any better effects when I took more. Ill get back to you more, I gotta run.

Aiden


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strengthmonster

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posted April 10, 2001 08:40 AM

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Hiya mate,
I saw you over at Mick's site the other day. Welcome to this board as well.


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atwa

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posted April 10, 2001 09:01 AM

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welcome Aiden


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Stew Meat

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posted April 11, 2001 12:55 AM

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Sloan, Jason Springfield College. The Effects of Testosterone and Insulin-Like Growth Factor-1 on Cultured Human Skeletal Muscle Cells

"Androgen receptor was upregulated under all treatment conditions compared to control. Testosterone treatment caused the larges increase in androgen receptor expression. QUANTITY OF RECEPTOR PROTEIN IS AN INDICATION OF THE FUNCTIONAL CAPABILITY OF THE MUSCLE CELL TO RESPOND TO HORMONES WHICH MAY AFFECT MUSCLE HYPERTROPHY. With the addition of testosterone, these systems (the muscles) increased their functional ability to respond to hormonal stimulation by increasing receptor concentration."

What more do you need? We don't follow the same universal myths that are prevailant in other bodybuilding communities. There are a lot of bros around here who have taken a personal vandetta against disproving myths like downregulation of receptors.

Here's a little more for you since you are interested in learning about IGF-1:

"Combined testosterone and IGF-1 treatment caused a larger increase in IGF-1 receptor protein expression than did either treatment alone... the increased mRNA levels with IGF-1 treatment might be a result of the ability of the IGF-1 system to upregulate gene transcription at a faster rate than the testosterone system."


-Stew


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DrSuperSaint

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posted April 11, 2001 01:10 AM

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welcome Aiden


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