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therock23

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posted April 08, 2001 09:36 AM

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i have been drinking 50mg of winny ed for 5 weeks and have been only doing 100mg of deca a week for 3 weeks on a trainers rec. i started at 5'9 185 14% bf i am now 193 12% and my strength has gone through the roof. my max bench was 315 on my 5 set now i can do 315 5 times on my 5 set with a max 0f around 375. i know i am taking enough winny but can i get results like that with such a small amount of deca? or is a waste. i can't complain, let me know


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thefacelessballer

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posted April 08, 2001 12:47 PM

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100mg of deca seems like kind of a waste.. 300mg would be better


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METHYL MIKE

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posted April 08, 2001 03:18 PM

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DECA SUCKS-TRY 200 MILLIGRAMS OF ENANTHATE EVERY FOURTH DAY.


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littlearnold1069

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posted April 08, 2001 03:26 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by METHYL MIKE:
DECA SUCKS-TRY 200 MILLIGRAMS OF ENANTHATE EVERY FOURTH DAY.
why do you continue to say that deca sucks?

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the mechanic

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posted April 08, 2001 03:52 PM

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Those are nice gains for only 100 mgs of deca. I would run it at 300 mgs per week.

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METHYL MIKE

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posted April 08, 2001 03:59 PM

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DECA SUCKS BECAUSE IT IS NOT ANDROGENIC, MILDLY ANABOLIC AND A POOR AR AGONIST-THE ONLY REAL PLUS IS THAT IT IS LOW IN SIDE-EFFECTS AND CAN HELP HEAL JOINTS. EQ IS MUCH BETTER. ALSO WITH DECA YOU HAVE LITTLE CONTROL-IF YOU SEE BAD SIDE EFFECTS, YOU WILL HAVE TO ENDURE THEM FOR AT LEAST 3-4 WEEKS AFTER STOPPING BECAUSE OF THE LONG HALF-LIFE. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE 200 MILLIGRAMS PER WEEK TO ENHANCE GAINS BUT MINIMIZE SIDES, TRY 100 MILLIGRAMS EVERY FOURTH DAY OF EQ- LOW SIDES, GREAT ANABOLISM WITH A LITTLE ADROGENISM AND PLENTY OF CONTROL. JUST MY 2 CENTS.


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littlearnold1069

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posted April 08, 2001 04:05 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by METHYL MIKE:
DECA SUCKS BECAUSE IT IS NOT ANDROGENIC, MILDLY ANABOLIC AND A POOR AR AGONIST-THE ONLY REAL PLUS IS THAT IT IS LOW IN SIDE-EFFECTS AND CAN HELP HEAL JOINTS. EQ IS MUCH BETTER. ALSO WITH DECA YOU HAVE LITTLE CONTROL-IF YOU SEE BAD SIDE EFFECTS, YOU WILL HAVE TO ENDURE THEM FOR AT LEAST 3-4 WEEKS AFTER STOPPING BECAUSE OF THE LONG HALF-LIFE. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE 200 MILLIGRAMS PER WEEK TO ENHANCE GAINS BUT MINIMIZE SIDES, TRY 100 MILLIGRAMS EVERY FOURTH DAY OF EQ- LOW SIDES, GREAT ANABOLISM WITH A LITTLE ADROGENISM AND PLENTY OF CONTROL. JUST MY 2 CENTS.
yet in another thread you recommend denkall deca...why is that? https://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/059790.html

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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted April 08, 2001 04:12 PM

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Mike-You need to be careful the way you word,things.You list things in a factual sense,rather than saying"In my opinion"and I've noticed a couple of things that were way off base."Deca is a poor agonist of the A/R"-Nothing could be further from the truth.Deca is three times as potent at the A/R than testosterone,and is a classified as a class-I steroid(meaning it's primary MOA is binding to and activating the A/R).You're a good bro,but you need to research a little more before giving answers that are misinformation....


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METHYL MIKE

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posted April 08, 2001 08:25 PM

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WHAT I MEANT IS THAT TO GET RESULTS ENANTHATE WOULD BE BETTER IN THIS STACK-ALSO, SORRY ABOUT THE AR AGONIST THING-I GOT IT BACKWARD-THE BIG QUESTION IS-IF DECA IS SO MUCH BETTER AT THE AR, WHY ISN'T IT BETTER THAN TEST? 200 MILLIGRAMS OF TEST WILL GIVE BETTER GAINS THAN DECA, REGARDLESS OF HALF-LIFE. IN MY OPINION, SWITCHING DECA FOR TEST WILL YEILD BETTER GAINS. ALSO I WORD WHAT I SAY THE WAY I DO BECAUSE I WORK AT A HOSPITAL AND HAVE GOTTEN USED TO TALKING AND TYPING PERFECT-BAD HABIT I GUESS.BTW, ALOT OF WHAT I SAY IS WHAT IVE READ IN MEDICAL REPORTS AND ARTICLES-MOST IS FACT BUT SOME IS OPINION. I BASE MY OPINIONS ON FACTS AND WHAT PEOPLE SAY. FOR EXAMPLE, I DON'T LIKE NOLVADEX BECAUSE IT SHUNTS IGF-1 AND HAS QUESTIONABLE ANTI-ESTROGENIC PROPERTIES-DOES NOT MEAN I'M SAYING YOU SHOULDN'T TAKE IT, I JUST THINK THERE ARE BETTER ALTERNATIVES, LIKE ARIMIDEX.


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted April 08, 2001 08:31 PM

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Mike-The reason that Test is more potent than deca is this-Although deca is 3 times as effective at the A/R,it possesses little to no activity in non-A/R governed mechanisms,whereas testosterone is quite potent outside of the A/R.Test is a combination class-I & Class-II steroid,while deca is solely a class-I.


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METHYL MIKE

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posted April 08, 2001 08:38 PM

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TRUE-BUT WHY IS TREN SO DAMN POWERFUL? I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT DOING ANYTHING EXCEPT BEING A VERY POTENT AR AGONIST-DOES TREN ACT ON OTHER TISSUES LIKE TEST? IF ITS JUST GOOD BECAUSE IT IS A NON-AROMATIZING ANDROGEN, WOULDN'T IT HAVE THE SAME EFFECTS AS MASTERON AND WINSTROL? BUT WE ALL KNOW IT ISN'T-IT IS MUCH BETTER. THEN YOU HAVE METHYLTRIENOLONE, WHICH EVEN BETTER.


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted April 08, 2001 08:40 PM

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It is dual action,just like test,but MUCH more potent at the A/R....


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METHYL MIKE

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posted April 08, 2001 08:42 PM

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COOL. THANX HUCK!


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