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WCP

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posted April 08, 2001 03:57 AM

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What alarms me more than the fact that products like synthol are becoming more mainstream these days is the fact that that so many members of our board is looking to use it!

Forgive me please but the brotherhood I come from and the old school traits I learned preached hard work and pushing your body beyond its physical limitations in hopes of seeing it. Tell me my brothers, when did bodybuilding become a sport that signifies a stopping point when it begins to hurt? Ive always learned that, that is when you start counting your sets.

Well lets fast forward. Today we have products such as the many types of synthol and prostaglandins. Now I will admit I used Pgf2a for a time just to see what it would do for what I think is my lagging chest. I will tell you at this point now that adding 4 sets of DB bench to my normal routine and prioritizing in the correct manner did me more good than 2ccs of Pgf2a ever could.
Synthol I never used for one reason only, at least with Pgf2a I knew that what I built was real muscle tissue and not oil.

Well how nice, we now have an oil that creates and illusion and yeah I said illusion that we have bigger muscles than we do. Tell me even you competitors what good is that for you really? Where does that oil go when it wears off? And how many training sessions must be made up to compensate for the loss of strength due to injections of the oil?

My point being is that if your in bodybuilding simply looking for shortcuts and ways out of hard work then never email me asking about shit like synthol. You will not be pleased with my reply. And for those who wish to argue that using anabolic supplementation is "cheating" then go right ahead you obviously never ate and trained for a cycle, nor dieted for one. You earn what you have!

You wanna have 21" arms in a matter of a week or two go right ahead, but dont give me shitty look when you come to my gym and can only handle 70lbs on a 90 degree preacher for 4. If I chuckle I apologize, ......nah.


My .02
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ironmaster

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posted April 08, 2001 04:04 AM

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AMEN. Now please pass the offering plate....oops, sorry.
Well said, and you know old guys like me who spent lifetimes in gyms agree with this shit.


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IronFist

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posted April 08, 2001 04:11 AM

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I'm with you guys. I would rather build solid muscle and be smaller than have a ton of oil in my muscle to fill them out. Of course, I'm sure there will be tons of replies from synthol advocates but everyone is entitled to their opinion.


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WCP

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posted April 08, 2001 05:49 AM

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I would like to see all the bros interested in using this product respond with clear evidence and cause on why they would want to do it.

This thread could make for interesting reading. So back up top then bedtime.

Peace,
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Jeff_rys

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posted April 08, 2001 06:20 AM

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Well said WCP. I can understand guys making a living out of BB using Synthol, because winning a contest can make a big difference.
But we are talking about 99,99 % of the other guys here. Synthol is the only product one can use for cheating.
I am in my third month of injecting 2 cc's PGF strictly and only in the arms and i am LOOSING size. So for all those guys thinking using PGF is cheating, don't believe it.
I know 2 cc is not much, but i need to have a life. And it has nothing to do with pain anymore.
As long as anyone takes "supplements" that create real muscle, you can hardly speak of cheating. You still have to work hard to get what you want. Synthol is a more "easy" way out.

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posted April 08, 2001 09:49 AM

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I am with you WCP. I have to admit i have thought about going from 18 inch arms to 22.

But I realized that I wanted my arms to be my arms.
My goal is to have 22's from hard work.

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Parabellum

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posted April 08, 2001 09:55 AM

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I just wanted to experiment. See how it works. That's all.

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KHawk

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posted April 08, 2001 12:48 PM

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I have never used synthol, and never will. I am just an amateur bodybuilder, never going for competition, but for personal enjoyment, fitness, and recreation. I, like WCP, have used PGF as well. I found much the same thing as many others, that I lost size in my chest after a week of injections. This is b/c PGF DESTROYS subcutaneous fat. It does not shrink it, it does not "hide" it, it KILLS FAT CELLS. There is actually an entire medical quarterly journal dedicated specifically to prostaglandins, and the aforementioned info can be found there. As for PGF in my bi's, I found an initial loss in size, followed by a much better "peak" but no real size gain. Strength never went up. While I did not mind PGF, or the pain that comes with it, I tend to agree with WCP that a few extra intense sets in the gym can do as much if not more than PGF. Of course, I feel it fair to mention that I only did .25 cc's per bi, 3-4 times per day. At any rate, I just thought I'd weigh in with my own opinion. Take care bro's.
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METHYL MIKE

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posted April 08, 2001 02:58 PM

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AMEN WCP. I LEARNED BODYBUILDING FROM DORIAN YATES AND HE WOULD PROBABLY BITCH SLAP ANY FOOL DUMB ENOUGH TO USE THIS SYNTHOL CRAP.BTW, IT DOES NOT CAUSE MUSCLE TO GROW, IT SIMPLY SITS THERE MAKING THE MUSCLE LOOK BIGGER. MY OPINION IS IF YOU HAVE A LAGGING BODYPART, GET IN THE GYM AND TRAIN LIKE A MAN TO IMPROVE IT. DAMN CHEATERS.


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mike001

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posted April 08, 2001 03:23 PM

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nice post

bump back to the top-
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Frackal

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posted April 08, 2001 04:12 PM

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I understand all of your opinions, and I kind of agree with you, but in a way some of you sound just like the natural bodybuilders condemning AAS usage.
"It's cheating"
"It's the easy way out"
"It's not real muscle (yes I know in this case it's partially true)"

To each his own...


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Big Johnson

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posted April 08, 2001 04:32 PM

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NOTHING WRONG WITH USING SYNTHOL. IF IT WAS ABOUT HOW STRONG YOU WERE, YOU'D TRAIN FOR STRENGTH LIKE POWERLIFTERS DO AND NOT WORRY ABOUT WHAT YOUR MUSCLES LOOKED LIKE. SYNTHOL WON'T MAKE ANYONE MR. OLYMPIA. I'D LIKE TO TRY IT JUST TO SEE IF IT WORKS. ALSO, I'VE HEARD IT STRETCHES THE MUSCLE SHEETH, WHICH WILL ALLOW FOR NEW GROWTH AFTER SYNTHOL. ITS PERSONAL PREFERENCE, WCP.

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Bubba

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posted April 08, 2001 04:48 PM

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I believe in freedom of choice. I just don't always agree with that choice. Although I will defend anyones right to make a choice. Within reason.

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Just_Grow

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posted April 08, 2001 08:21 PM

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bump.


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Spunky

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i think if someone wants to use it let them use it. we want to look our best, if that takes synthol then great. the average joe isn't gonna look at u and asy "hey that guy uses synthol." so...... whats the big deal


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Rugby

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#1: The look of muscle with synthol looks identical to muscle without synthol

#2 MOST people who condemn synthol, dont have enought balls to do it

#3 when you condemn a fellow bodybuilder for using synthol, you are just as bad as an all natural condemning a juicer

#4 here is my reason to use synthol:
WCP and others... Not everyone can grow above 18" arms. I am one of them... For 2 cycles, i stood at 18"s... After thinking about it, i took some synthol... And now i am standing with about 19.5"... Yes i am young, yes i have done 6 cycles. But my point is, i am very near my genetic potential (240lbs 5"10 10%bf) and the only way for me to get passed my 18" was to use synthol...

Why are we cheating... Synthol will not do shit if you dont workout... It is all dependent on you working your arms hard, to maximize the synthol use, or else your muscles will look goofy... But when i am in the gym... My 19"ers look the same as someone who hasnt used synthol... I do it for me, I do it so i can get where i wanna be.


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Stew Meat

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Im debating over using it myself...
Reason I'm not using synthol right now:

I'm on a cycle and I don't want it to interfere with my gains.

Reasons I will probably use it in the future:
I don't lift for strength. I don't cheat when I max out just to have bragging rights about how much I can benchpress.
I lift for the muscle. I bust my ass for the muscle. The look. When I stand and flex in the mirror, I don't think about how much I look like I can lift, I think "Damn, I'm friggin' huge."
I don't really care about what it is as much as I'm concerned about what it looks like. And its not all about the females either. I just want to be as big as I can possibly be. And if synthol can take me there, hey, I'm up for the ride.
This does not mean that I'm gonna sit around and eat "tater-chips" and quit working out because I can just inject synthol for my muscle gains. I see this as another tool. Just as AS is a tool to get me where I want to be: as big as geneticly possible and then some.

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Rugby

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posted April 08, 2001 11:19 PM

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-Stew-

Synthol wont affect your cycle or your strength


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posted April 08, 2001 11:54 PM

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Before synthol, try GH.

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the*_Rat

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Next time we see a broad in a bar with fat ass fake tits and we cant stop peeking, the use of Synthol to us will seem to have a useful purpose. I'm in this for the look and the power aswell. Strength loss so far, well there has been none, just using em in my bi's.(not to say the broad used synthol)

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I will never, ever use synthol- it goes against the sport as a whole. look at how hard we work and diet- its a passion- fuck synthol-tomo


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I HAVE NEVER USED SYNTHOL AND NEVER PLAN TO BUT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO USE IT TO IMPROVE THERE BODY OR BRING UP A LAGING BODY PART THEN I GUESS THAT IS THERE PERSONAL CHOICE. JUST MY OPINION THOUGH

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winstrol69

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posted April 09, 2001 01:14 AM

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Synthol is no more cheating than AS or PGF2! Isnt BB an illusion anyways. The contests go by looks not "how much you bench"!


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I never used to believe in Synthol, but I have ALWAYS believed in my goals and dreams. We all admit the pros use scandelous amounts of steroids and other growth products, including synthol. If using synthol down the road a few years is what it takes, then damnit, that's what I will do.

As for now, I am working with my body without synthol, but plan on using winny site injections within the next year.

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Rugby- Question for ya!

How long did it take you to go from 18' to 19.5'? And how did you take it (i.e., 1 cc every other day & gradually go up)? I'm thinking about trying synthol & i'm curious how everyone takes this & the results they have received.

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BigJollies66

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hey toes, ill tell you how rugby got those huge arms......... he didn't. he is full of shit. sure he says some interesting stuff from time to time but the other shit he says is complete bull shit!!!!!!!!! like his mega cycles for example, that he changes 38 times a week and posts everytime he does. example of his last cycle: 2 amps of suspension ed; 70mg dbol ed; 800mg EQ a week; armidex; rugby is full of shit plain and simple. like a week ago he said that he was going to do synthol and was asking questions on it and all of the sudden he has arnold like arms. does anyone else see bull shit written all over that?????? and basically the rest he has to say????? he is a little teenager looking for attention. i don't doubt that he has cycled or bodybuilds, but i will admit that he makes a lot of shit up for attention.


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Stew Meat

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posted April 09, 2001 11:31 PM

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There are quite a few people around here like that. Gets on my nerves sometimes too, bro.


-Stew


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WCP

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Dont get me wrong here people. Im not saying your dipshit if you use synthol, I was merely stating my opinion, and as with my own, everyone else is entitled to thiers.

Now, to an extent I may tend to bend a little for some whom like stated above cannot achieve particular sizes in certain areas due to genetic limits. But I have to question, just how many methods did you try or how many years work did you put into those areas before resorting to synthol? I would hope to God that you didnt work out for a year and wonder why you didnt put 3" on your arms.

I dont think the use of that substance in any way can be compared to the use of anabolics. You cant shoot 2cc's of test a week and add a good 10-15lbs of lean muscle by simply sitting still. You have to bust your ass just the same, along with a sound diet plan, and it gets rougher come cutting time. With synthol you merely inject it and boom! you have size.

Personally, Ive never felt as if Im "cheating" with the use of A.S. And I dont get what some of you are saying about lifting just to look good and not about strength? What? you dont like being stronger than the average joe as well as being more muscular?

It all comes down to a matter of choice, and I believe in everyone opinion to do what they want, but I for one will never use it. I feel as if I have to go the rest of my life with a bodypart that just dont respond the way I want it to then so be it. Ill beat it to death until the day comes I can no longer sling iron, cause I feel at that point I can look back and say, no, I didnt get what I wanted, but I put more heart, blood, and sweat into it than any normal person would have the guts to try, and pride in that fact that I never, ever quit.

Again, this is my opinion, and Im entitled to it just as all my brothers are entitled to thiers.

peace,
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It's cheating plain and simple. I work so hard to tell everyone that it's me that has done the work and not some oil in my arms. I may be young but i think i may be one of the last from the old school. cheers

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