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Elite Bodybuilder 
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Someone on here posted that tapering was bunk,and was getting quite filthy about it. I just read an article about testosterone usage, and it was from a wise man. He went on to say that tapering down in the last week or two will help to prevent a crash,and also solidify gains. I wouldnt mind hearing from some people that do taper,and some people that dont. It would be intresting to compare and contrast the gains they made,and if they had a crash period,and how much gains they kept after water loss. Recently i have been getting mixed opinions from people,mostly the vets(local gym rats)are for tapering to prevent crash while keeping gains, then others who are fairly new but have cycles under there belt say tapering is no big deal.Just wanted to hear what some experienced bros on here have to say about it. So give me a piece of your mind.     | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 12 |
This is a very interesting post. I hope you get a lot of people`s opinion on this. The author of the book Anabolic 2000 states that tapering is a waste of time. His view is that if you are taking 200mg or 2000mg of week of test your testosterone production will be supressed. The advice here is to stop cold turkey and use clomid and/or HCG. I would be very interested in hearing from other juicer`s experience on the best way to get out of a big cycle and keep most of the gains and not get the big "after cycle" crash. Anyone? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 14 |
I would not go off 2000 mg of test without tapering. It might not have any effect on how much you would keep after the cycle, but it would have an effect on the mood. Going off 2000 mg of test without tapering will mess you up mentaly. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1051 |
well, im bumping this. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 509 |
Yeah, tapering is a must at High Doses. I like the self tapering capabilities of Sust/Omna if taken correctly. If not taken correctly then I think Prop. is a great choice to control the amount of test in the body. Of course clomid is a must, but only at the end of a cycle (stop wasting it by using it mid-cycle). Do these things and crash should be kept under control, the most I've ever crashed was 10lb. and I had the flu and was puking, so I may be onto something here | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 367 |
Long lasting esters self taper. Making you sick from dropping test too fast is one issue. I don't think you are gonna make your nuts more likely to start up by going off slowly, however. If your test is higher than normal levels (which it will be if you are taking any test at all) your nuts ain't gonna work. Once your test levels drop, you still ain't gonna start producing until you get the estrogen out of your system. I say get off quick and use bridging drugs to maintain anabolism while you get your detected estrogen levels down with clomid. Anyone agree??? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 12 |
It seems for me that with time the after cycle crash is always worse than the last one. I remember my first cycle (with dball), I just stoped cold turkey. Lost a bit of gains but not much and no post cycle crash at all. On my last cycle (which was about 8 months ago) I was a sustenon alone I did a taper off, took clomid and proviron. About 2 weeks after my last shot, the crash it me. Depressed, big loss of strengh and size. It lasted about a month. It was hell. I was still taking the clomid. Am I the only one? I am looking into doing short 2 week cycles to avoid such a problem in my future use. | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 2319 |
Your natural test levels will not begin to come back untill there is NO androgens present in your body. Tapering only prolongs the process. An ester tapers itself. If I was on high doses of prop, suspension, or a fast acting ester, I wouldnt come off without and antiestrogen or anti arormitise. If you have that flood of estrogen at the end when the androgens leaves and you have no test pumping, a crash will happen. I wont come off without proviron or nolvadex while I jump on the clomid. This helps with estrogen related crash side effects. It is so important to control the the high levels of estrogen that is present when you had high test levels. When that test leaves and the estrogen is the only thing there, its an awfull feeling. If you can control that estrogen, you can lower the chances of depression and fatigue. Summary: Have an antiestrogen or a similar product on top of your clomid to help with your hpta therapy. You will recover faster and you will thank yourself when you keep more of your gains. ------------------ "Catch a man a fish and he eats for a day, but if you teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 33 |
Nice info LAWNSAVER (glad to see you got your name back "OAK"!) Do you have any recommendations for another anti-estrogen to help bring natural test levels back up? | ||
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Freak
Posts: 2319 |
Well the antiestrogen wont bring your hpta back on line, but will help big time with the possible estrogen related sides(not just gyno) I like proviron the best. It control the conversion of estrogen, while increasing your sex drive and keeping your appearence harder. ------------------ "Catch a man a fish and he eats for a day, but if you teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 12 |
Thanks for the info. |
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posted April 06, 2001 07:36 PM