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 Anadrol as an antiestrogen?
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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Ok... Here's one for MeanOne... wherever he is... "While oxymetholone does not convert to estrogen because of its saturated a-ring, gynecomastia (feminized breasts) has been seen in males using oxymetholone, but this generally only occurs if it is combined with growth hormone, or testosterone, either of which can cause gynecomastia by themselves. Used alone, we have seen oxymetholone cause gynecomastia to shrink quickly, probably because oxymetholone can exert inhibitory, anti-estrogenic effects on hormone-responsive breast tissue." This was written by a Nelson Vergel. Where ya at Macro...
-Stew [This message has been edited by Stew Meat (edited April 06, 2001).]     | ||
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Cool Novice 
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I just got the new muscle mag and in the uncensored section, in an interview with the guys from Anabolic 2000, they were talking about the same thing. ------------------ "That which does not kill me will make me stronger" "Catch a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Moderator 
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Eeesh.If that were the case,then I would say that deca(another progestin based anabolic)would do the same,which we all know it doesn't.The lowering of estradiol might have some validity,but to say it REDUCES gyno is a little far-fetched IMHO.I have had buddy's that have gotten NASTY gyno on anadrol-only cycles,so I know that it's capable of activating receptors in Mammary tissue.Interesting theory,nonetheless... [This message has been edited by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex (edited April 06, 2001).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 735 |
OKAY BROS, I'M NOT AS KNOWLEDGABLE AS HUCK OR STEW, BUT I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT ESTROGEN DOES NOT CAUSE GYNO. YET, I SAW THIS THE OTHER DAY WHILE DOING SOME SURFING: "Gynecomastia frequently develops and occasionally persists in patients being treated for hypogonadism." (FROM http://www.powerpak.com/CE/Androgen/lesson.cfm) THE PATIENTS IN THIS CASE ARE MALES BEING TREATED WITH TEST. WTF? I THOUGH ONLY DECCA, FINA, AND ANADROL CAUSED GYNO BECAUSE OF PROGESTERONIC SIMULATION. COULD ESTROGEN CAUSE GYNO AS WELL? ------------------ NEWBIES, CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW AND GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED AT THESE FINE SITES. UPDATED WEEKLY | ||
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Cool Novice
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Here's another. Site injections of gh to reduce fat behing the nipple. What do you guys think about that one. They say gh cause localized fat lose. Another Muscle mag tid bit. ------------------ "That which does not kill me will make me stronger" "Catch a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Cool Novice
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Estrogen is the biggest developer of gyno. Estrogen is what forms womens breast, estrogen is what transvestites use to increase their breasts. That is why we use nolvadex and arimidex to combat gyno. If I miss read your post and you were saying something else, I am sorry. ------------------ "That which does not kill me will make me stronger" "Catch a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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WHAT DOES PROGESTERONE DO THEN? WHY IS IT SO MANY GUYS TAKE WINNY FOR ITS ANTI-PROGESTERONIC QUALITIES TO COMBAT GYNO? ------------------ NEWBIES, CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW AND GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED AT THESE FINE SITES. UPDATED WEEKLY | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 28 |
the conversion of Progest. can give you gyno from another aveune. So we have 2 enemies! ------------------ "That which does not kill me will make me stronger" "Catch a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Moderator
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Big J-Both estrogen and progesterone are primary female hormones.An abundance of either one is capable of activating receptors in breast tissue of males with sensitivity to these hormones.... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 879 |
Progesterone is estrogen. Many people don't realize that. Progesterone is different from estrodiol, but both are female hormones and both can cause gyno.
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 879 |
Huck, we posted at the same time again  On another note, people use Winny as an anti-progesterone when taking deca, fina, and anadrol. One does not need to take an antiestrogen with Winny as Winny will not aromitise into estrodiol like testosterone, dbol, and EQ.
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Moderator
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LOL.Great minds think alike  | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 735 |
SO THEN, AN ANADROL/WINNY STACK MIGHT BE ONE HELL OF A LIVER FUCK, BUT WON'T GIVE YOU GYNO AND MAY ACTUALLY SHRINK EXISTING AND HERE I ALWAYS THOUGHT ANADROL WAS POISON.------------------ NEWBIES, CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW AND GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED AT THESE FINE SITES. UPDATED WEEKLY | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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quote: I too was under the impression that A-50 could CAUSE gyno all by itself. I just finished a cutting cycle using anadrol and test enanthate (farily low doses of each, short duration, while dieting heavily) and used nolvadex 10mg EOD because of that fear. Was this not necessary? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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The nolva would have covered the test, but not the a-50. Personally, I would never do drol without winny. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 56 |
gyno is caused by having too much estrogen or progesterone in the body. how do you get this in your body? your body produces it to counteract all the testosterone in your body to creat balance. the breast are estrogen sensitive so the receptors around your breast fill with these hormones causing growth in these tissues. almost all AS will cause your body to produce these hormones. some steroids will balance each other out so as not to effect these tissues as much, for example abombs with winstrol. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Mass, human males can not produce estrogen.
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Elite Bodybuilder
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TEST AROMATIZES INTO ESTROGEN, MASS. I DON'T THINK MEN CAN PRODUCE ESTROGEN UNLESS THEY HAVE OVARIES ------------------ NEWBIES, CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW AND GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED AT THESE FINE SITES. UPDATED WEEKLY | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 62 |
Progestrone is Estrogen! No....Progestrone is a precursor for Estrogen though... Take a look at what Hormone replacement theary is in women....every hear of Estrogen domanince...and what is used to combat this? Progestrone! Most of estrogen�s undesirable side effects are effectively prevented by progesterone...in women | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Now you are saying human males cannot produce Estrogen!!! What! You are a smart guy, but you sure don't know your hormones...Estrogen is produced by the adreanal glands by both sexes and by the testis in males... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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I DIDN'T KNOW THAT GORILLA. I THOUGHT TESTES PRODUCED TEST AND OVARIES PRODUCED ESTROGEN, EXCLUSIVELY. I ALSO THOUGHT THAT THE MALE BODY BALANCED ITS TEST PRODUCTION BY THE AMOUNT OF ESTROGEN PRESENT, BUT I GUESS THAT DOESN'T MAKE TOO MUCH SENSE BECAUSE THE RESULT WOULD BE TEST AROMATIZING INTO EVEN MORE ESTROGEN, WHICH WOULD CAUSE EVEN MORE TEST TO BE PRODUCED AND MORE AROMATIZED INOT ESTROGEN. LOOK, I WAS A BIO MAJOR FOR AWHILE BUT THIS SHIT IS STRATING TO CONFUSE THE HELL OUTTA ME! ------------------ NEWBIES, CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW AND GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED AT THESE FINE SITES. UPDATED WEEKLY | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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you guys know what i meant. i know we dont produce progesterone. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 879 |
No, males can not produce estrogen in the adrenal gland. However, females can produce testosterone in the ADRENAL CORTEX. Progesterone is not a precursor for estrodiol. Estrogen is produced in the ovaries not the adrenal gland. -Stew [This message has been edited by Stew Meat (edited April 08, 2001).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 62 |
Stew....you are absolutly killing me... The 3 main sex hormones are estrogen, progestrone, and androgen....testosterone is an androgen....Estrogen, like androgen, is actually the name of a group of hormones, Estradiol(E2), Estrone(E1), Estriol(E3). Progestrone is indeed a precursor to Estrogen as well as testosterone... And you are crazy if you say that males don't produce Estrogen and progestrone...How could exongerous test result in increased estrogen levels? Magic? Maybe Animals secert meeting of all steriod manufactures, who are responsible for the sting in prop, also decided to sneak estrogen in all of there products....same goes for deca and progestrone... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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THAT'S IT, I'M DIGGING OUT MY BIO TEXT BOOK... ------------------ NEWBIES, CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW AND GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED AT THESE FINE SITES. UPDATED WEEKLY | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: I'm not going to sit here and argue about it, Fonz, I mean Gorilla...
-Stew [This message has been edited by Stew Meat (edited April 06, 2001).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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quote: FROM http://www.sfn.org/briefings/estrogen.html BETTER RETHINK YOUR HORMONES, GORILLA ------------------ NEWBIES, CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW AND GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED AT THESE FINE SITES. UPDATED WEEKLY | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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BUMP ------------------ NEWBIES, CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW AND GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED AT THESE FINE SITES. UPDATED WEEKLY | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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anadrol as an anti estrogen? HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAHAHAAAAAHAAHA! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 735 |
SO, WHEN YOUR BODY HAS TOO MUCH TEST, ENZYMES THAT BREAK IT DOWN INTO ESTROGEN ARE RELEASED. TOO BAD NO ONES COME UP WITH A WAY TO BLOCK/DESTROY THOSE. OR HAVE THEY? ------------------ NEWBIES, CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW AND GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED AT THESE FINE SITES. UPDATED WEEKLY | ||
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Moderator
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Yes.That is precisely what arimidex,and to a lesser degree Cytadren and proviron do.They stop aromitase at it's root of formation.... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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HEY HUCK, DO YOU THINK CLOMID, WITH ITS INFLUENCE ON THE HYPOTHALAMUS, DOES THE SAME? STOPS THE RELEASE OF AROMATASE ENZYMES? ------------------ NEWBIES, CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW AND GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED AT THESE FINE SITES. UPDATED WEEKLY | ||
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Moderator
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No,it is a selective estrogen receptor modulator.Its activities combat estrogen that's already in free-circulation.It does not prevent its developement,it only blocks it from attaching to certain receptors by occupying those receptors in an idle state(not activating them). | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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THANKS FOR INFO, HUCK. LOOKS LIKE ARIMIDEX DURING A CYCLE OF HEAVY TEST IS ESSENTIAL IF YOU DON'T WANT ESTROGEN SIDES. ------------------ NEWBIES, CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW AND GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED AT THESE FINE SITES. UPDATED WEEKLY | ||
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True,nothing else compares. |
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posted April 06, 2001 01:05 PM
