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 pull up strength = bench strength?
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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If you can bench 315 for 6 reps and weigh 215, then you should be able to do 6 pull ups with two 45s and a 10 strapped around your waist. WHo agrees with me?     | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 29 |
Not Me. It is much harder to control that weight tied to your body and that requires more strength then you think. Hey Try it for yourself and see what happens. Then you will know for sure right? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 67 |
If your talking incline bench - its probably somewhat correct - Of course its not the same action, just very similar. rxderrick | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 157 |
I have absolutely no idea. If it helps i can bench 125 for a single and can perform 6 decent chins with 20 kg hanging from the waist. I weigh around 185 lbs. Guessing 1 can perform 6 reps at 110 then 110 = 20(my weight for 6) 150 = 45(your weight for 6) If my figures are the yardstick to go by then you would have to divide your bench by 5.5 to give you your top weight on the pull ups. So 150/5.5 = 27.3.around 65lbs. However assuming that bodyweight was not a determing factor in bench press strength, and as you weigh 30lbs heavier than me you are in essence moving 95lbs which is roughly two 45's and a 10. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 67 |
Well, that just screws up the whole theory.  rxderrick | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 52 |
I think it strictly depends on the person. Proportion, symmatry, etc. For me, It's probably pretty close, but it wasn't always. My back has always been stronger than my chest. But currently I weigh 200 lbs. Can bench 225 for 10 reps, and can do about 14 real good form pull-ups. That's pretty close, isn't it? But really, if you think about it, shouldn't the comparison be with military press? That's a closer push-pull range of motion than flat bench and pull ups. Maybe flat bench with T-bar, but not pullups. [This message has been edited by Jafar (edited April 05, 2001).] | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 41 |
Then how about weighted dips V. Bench press? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 82 |
"If your talking incline bench - its probably somewhat correct - Of course its not the same action, just very similar." One is a pushing movement and the other is a pulling movement, hookuprx please point out the similarites that would make this a sound theory. Although the the actual planes of motion may be similar, the actual mechanism of contraction of the muscles are totaly different. ---but then again maybe I'm totaly wrong just my 0.02 worth--- [This message has been edited by Purple (edited April 05, 2001).] | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 41 |
Only one way to find out....Try it and see what happens! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 79 |
I can't see why you'd even compare bench strength to pull up strength. It's not really using the same muscles. I weigh 255 can only do 3 or 4 good pull ups, but can bench 225 around 28 times w/ perfect form. However, dips is another story, I can do then all day long. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 312 |
I think you are unproportinoned unless you can push forward roughly the same amount that you can pull back. Jafar is right, the t-bar and not the pull up is more of a measure of this. YOu big linemen types who weigh 250, and bench your weight for 25 reps but can only do about 5 pull ups are unproportinoned because of this. You have htat hunched over, back of your hands facing straight forward clumsy look. If a guy never does deadlifts the whole thing is even worse | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 132 |
Right on DCS, deads are a good start. I have been working on back strength, trying to bring my pulling power closer to my pressing power. My bench has gone up since I have strengthened my back(antagonist muscles) so that's a plus. Later | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 29 |
I think a better barometer is the Bent over row. For instance, I can bench around 370 and I am damn close with Bent Over Rows. I equate pull-ups with military presses when concerning antagonist movements. ------------------ | ||
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Novice 
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I don't think pull up strength is directly proportional to bench strength. I could knock out 20+ pullup and struggled with my bench (315) at 210 pounds. I think pullups develops shoulder and arm strength. Pull-ups may be an excellent compliment to benching. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 82 |
quote: DCS where did you pull that assumption out off? Often using a full range of motion with lighter weight will produce a quality build just because you can't pull as much as you push or visa versa does not mean that you are disproportional. Proprtion is not a measure of strength --- in your case it is more like a measure of ego. If you can pull more than you can push then what does that make you? an extended bellied freak whose shoulders are pulled back with your head sticking out like a tortoise -- I don't think so. Put a little more thought into your responses. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 312 |
Purple man, its a fact. If your back is weak and your chest is strong than you have bad postuire. I see it in the gym all the time. Why don't you think next time you post something so rude and obnoxious about a little hamrless discussion about proportionality and weight lifting! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 82 |
DCS no flame... What is was saying is that you can't say that just because you push a certain weight you should be able to pull a certain weight and that if you can't then you are disproportionate. You can still have a well developed back without pulling the same weights as you are pushing or visa versa. I agree with you when saying guys with chests over developed wrt their backs have a "slumped forward look" and that it resembles a member of the missing link clan, but those guys are generally the ones who are working on the beach muscles - chest and bi's and don't bother to train back properly at all. Once again no flame just pointing out that there is a difference. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 312 |
I agree with you purple, I just have the theory that IDEALY you should be able to push as much as you can pull. Its just my theory nothing else. I just think most guys overdevelope their chest and anterior delts in relationship to their back muscles. If you think about it, I believe the back is meant to be stronger than the chest and shoulders. We come from aniamls that climbed trees alot and used their back muscles for this. THe pull up/row is something that had a practical application, to get up a tree and eat the fruit up there, hide from some predators, or say hi to your ape bitch girlfriend. I can't really think of any practical applications for the bench press. Wheter this is even important or not I am not sure of either. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 82 |
Point taken, sorry if I was confrontational at first. |
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posted April 05, 2001 03:54 AM