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MrO

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posted April 04, 2001 03:52 PM

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I was reading an article in musclemag that Charles Glass wrote and he said that on your first couple of cycles there's really no need to use clomid or HCG at the end of your cycle because your natural test levels will atomatically kick in. He also said that around your third cycle is when you should be using clomid and HCG.

Is this true? Can anyone comment?


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Stew Meat

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posted April 04, 2001 03:55 PM

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It may have some merrit... but I wouldn't chance it. I'd hate to know I worked so hard to attain my gains only to loose half of it post cycle. Its not worth it...


-Stew


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted April 04, 2001 03:57 PM

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That is false.Once your system senses there's an abundance of hormones,it ceases production of it's own.Post cycle,as exogenous androgen levels fall,estrogen dominates...It does not matter if it's your first cycle,or fiftieth cycle,the process is the same.Eventually you may recover homeostasis,but this could take a VERY long time without ancillaries,which is not what you want while not on androgens....


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Stew Meat

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posted April 05, 2001 12:55 PM

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The ONLY reasont that I say it "may have some merrit" is becasue there is a guy at my gym who took 9 weeks of test enth. and got his blood work done 2 weeks post cycle and his levels were almost back to baseline. It was his first cycle and he hadn't used clomid. Clomid can't get levels up much faster than that... maybe that was just him.. or perhaps on your first cycle, your hypothalamus respons faster... I don't think he was a bullshitter.

who knows...
But clomid is cheap and HCG can be too if you have the right source.


-Stew


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Big_Lax

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posted April 05, 2001 12:58 PM

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What about using clen and clomid together...I want to cut up when my cycle is done...


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted April 05, 2001 01:19 PM

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Clen will not interfere with the hormonal recovery process,so that would be okay.BTW,Stew,I didn't mean to step on your toes there,you and I were typing our answers at the exact same time,so it looks like I was contradicting you,but I hadn't seen your answer when I gave mine,lol...


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Fener

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posted April 05, 2001 01:26 PM

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stew, maybe his level were not low because of a bit of enanth still present in the sistem, wich after 2 weeks after last injection is posssible.


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Stew Meat

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posted April 05, 2001 03:57 PM

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@Huck
Fenner, good point.

-Stew

[This message has been edited by Stew Meat (edited April 05, 2001).]


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