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PlanB43M

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posted April 04, 2001 02:19 PM

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i went to down to get some Ttokkyo Equipoise yesterday afternoon and was told that it's been bringing in some bad complaints. I was pretty pumped up about getting the 200mg/ml doses too but after i heard that i decided to stay safe and went with 2 of the Ultragan 100mg/ml 10ml bottles. the price worked out to be almost identical, so it wasn't a big deal. after all, i don't mind stckin' myself that frequently. have any of you bros heard of any complaints about any more Ttokkyo products. I was also told that their Sust has been causing some unfortunate abscesses (i dont think i spelled that right, oh well). what do you guys think?


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PlanB43M

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posted April 04, 2001 02:51 PM

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come on guys, doens't anyone have any input? bump this shit.


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animal B

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posted April 04, 2001 02:58 PM

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heard that too...I personally dont use there products....but know many people who do..Id stay with my ganabol anyday of the week..only 50mg, so..over 1000 injections and no abcess


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CutlerJr

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posted April 04, 2001 03:00 PM

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don't worry, the ttokkyo EQ is fine...there are a bunch of rooks out there hearing all these rumors about ttokkyo and they scared like a bunch of little bitches...the ttokkyo sus has caused some pain and i speak from experience, but from what i hear it is from the high alcohol content..the way you get around that is to mix the testanon with some other gear in the same syringe...don't listen to all of this bullshit..suck it up and take your shit...ttokkyo is one of the most trusted names out there right now...


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gettingdiesel

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posted April 04, 2001 03:13 PM

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I think you guys are on crack this shit is the Bomb. All the Ttokyo if you can take the pain.


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Enzo250

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posted April 04, 2001 03:35 PM

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Ttokkyo products are fairly new i guess thats why many people are scared of them. I have only heard good things. Does Ttokkyo make a primo?


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Riker29

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posted April 04, 2001 03:59 PM

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It seems our fave Granero is bad-rapping Ttokkyo EQ becuase of eitheror:

Bad reports from newbies, .... and/or

They make less profit on the Ttokkyo.


PlanB - hehe - is that the club you are referring to? You are probably near me then....


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Stew Meat

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posted April 04, 2001 04:07 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by CutlerJr:
don't worry, the ttokkyo EQ is fine...there are a bunch of rooks out there hearing all these rumors about ttokkyo and they scared like a bunch of little bitches...the ttokkyo sus has caused some pain and i speak from experience, but from what i hear it is from the high alcohol content..the way you get around that is to mix the testanon with some other gear in the same syringe...don't listen to all of this bullshit..suck it up and take your shit...ttokkyo is one of the most trusted names out there right now...


Anaimal is a well established vet on this board. Your remark is distasteful IMO. And I assure you that he is not a rookie and not a "little bitch." That said, I have heard nothing but good things from those who have used them and an independant lab report showed their products tested favorably.

-Stew


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Slopain

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posted April 04, 2001 04:14 PM

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He wasnt referring to animal..

Here is the real issue:
Did you go to see a fat lady with a big mouth near an ocampo corner? I bet you did.

In short:
Its all good the eq and deca NEVER caused any abcess/infection b/c of the AS.
The testonon is painful that is due to a higher than normal alcohol level which is already being fixed by ttokkyo. (cyp has the problem but to a lesser extent)

Look around everyone that used EQ200 or Deca300 loves the stuff, the cyp and testo users get great gains but have a bit of site sorness due to the alch.

In general whenever I read "I heard that" its usually wrong so find out for yourself and dont rely on others for you info.

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Slopain

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posted April 04, 2001 04:20 PM

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She never tells people that the loeffler a-50s are shit even though I have been in there 4 times when people were complaining about it in the last 3 trips I went. She never tells people that loeffler sustanon is weak/underdosed (rather she says its better than ttokkyo lol), and she tells every person coming through their horror stories about abcesse needing to be cut out lol WTF since when did a bit more of alcohol cause abcesses?? The bacteria count is well within lines. The products are awesome, the only thin is too much alch in the testo which is already being fixed.

Sorry for the rant fellas - just to clear this up AGAIN..

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delray

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posted April 04, 2001 05:22 PM

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love the eq200. Never a problem, smooth injections, immediate positive reactions. But that's just me.

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IronKop77

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posted April 04, 2001 05:45 PM

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Ive used the tokkyo decca and had great results.


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PlanB43M

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posted April 04, 2001 06:37 PM

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thanks a lot guys. i have read a lot from everyone on the board that support both sides with the majority of the comments praising the ttokkyo name. i would rather have gone with to ttokkyo equipoise but oh well. the ultragan product is a highly reputable product as well, so i'm okay. next time i'll probably go with ttokkyo products so that i'll be able to establish my own opinions and add my .02. thanks again for all of your reply's, this board is the biggest help.

nope, i didn't talk to Elizabeth (i think that was her name), i talked with someone else.


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bigpita

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posted April 04, 2001 06:48 PM

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hey how much did you pay for those ultragans?


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solidspine

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posted April 04, 2001 07:14 PM

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bump what are current prices? I assume you just went to TJ?


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@LRG

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posted April 04, 2001 07:56 PM

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i liked the deca300 alot, only one ive tried so far....as for the 'to much alcohol'..if its test--stick it in the oven at 250 degrees for 30min = less pain, cause some alcohol will evaporate and it wont bother the test; just make sure you put a pin in the topper to equalize pressure when in oven...

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Slopain

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posted April 04, 2001 08:00 PM

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Actually do not do that to keep the test structure intact do this:


I have noticed a lot of you complaining about the pain caused from the high levels of alcohol in Ttokkyo Test cyp. The following is a method to eliminate all or some of that alcohol for a pain free injection.

1.Gather together the following items:
Vial of Test cyp.
1-18g sterile pin
1-.22 sterile filter (preferably one that has the ability to be autoclaved)
(Optional) 20 ml. sterile syringe with 18g pin

2. Open sterile filter, with out touching the inlet or outlet of the filter attach to your 18g pin.

3. Insert the pin filter combo into the vial (preferable the pin will not be in the Test cyp.)

4. Place the vial in a small pan and place in a cold oven, set the oven at 180f for 30-45 min. (if you are worried about losing or hurting your test cyp. in any way don't. Here is why the alcohol in the benzyl alcohol has a flash point of 200f, benzyl benzoate boils at 614f cotton seed oil boils at 442f and finally the Test cyp. has a melting point at 285f.)

5. Turn off the oven a let the vial cool completely before removing the pin/ filter combo (the filter assembly is not there to filter the gases as they escape but rather to filter the air going back in the vial as the liquid cools.)

6. Optional-If you are worried that you have boiled away some volume and would like to know the new mg/ml strength then draw up the contents of the vial in the 20 ml syringe and divide the total mg. by the total ml.s you have left.

Now you have lowered the alcohol content enough that there should be considerably less pain. The benzyl benzoate will preserve the test cyp. until your cycle is done.

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Jback

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posted April 04, 2001 08:01 PM

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what is the going rate for ttokkyo eq, and ultragan 100 in tijuana. My buddy told me 60 bucks for the ultra.

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vinnie

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posted April 04, 2001 08:34 PM

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my buddy told me this and that.
mumbo jumbo.........ultragon is around 25 bucks for the 10ml bottle 100mg.


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PlanB43M

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posted April 04, 2001 09:14 PM

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i paid $24 for each vial of the Ultragan Equipoise. there was a lot of shit to choose from too. i felt like i had died and gone to heaven.


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@LRG

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posted April 04, 2001 09:23 PM

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SLOPAIN thats what i was basically getting at, but to a lesser extent...and it works..

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PlanB43M

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posted April 05, 2001 12:08 AM

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time to get huge! i love it.


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Damian Borleone

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posted April 05, 2001 01:30 AM

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THE TRUTH ABOUT GRANERO "AZN" (you know the place)...

They currently owe Ttokkyo's distributor in TJ $XXX,XXX.XX (dollars not pesos ). They've owed this money for at least 6 months and have been asked to pay ASAP.

Granero "AZN" receives their products on "credit" from Ttokkyo's distributor- meaning the stuff is fronted to them...and believe me, Granero "AZN" sells a shitload of Ttokkyo gear- so everytime they need more Ttokkyo product they have to get it from the distributor, and it's now gotten to the point where not only does the distributor not want to "front" to Granero "AZN" anymore, but he also wants "AZN" to pay off their bill.

This leaves "AZN" in a tough spot- if they push Ttokkyo they'll need to order more Ttokkyo and it won't be coming from TJ's distributor, plus they also have to figure a way to pay off their debt...So what do they do? They push OTHER products, this allows them to make money (btw their profit margin on Ttokkyo gear is slim which allows them to compete with other larger graneros like Oro & Ackerman), and it allows them to pay off their pre-existing debt.

As soon as "AZN" gets their debt taken care of you'll be amazed at how quickly their view of Ttokkyo changes.

Just thought you should know.


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Slopain

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posted April 05, 2001 01:34 AM

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heh heh

bump

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PlanB43M

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posted April 05, 2001 05:56 AM

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that's really interesting. we'll see how there atitudes change with time.


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Bubba

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posted April 05, 2001 07:12 AM

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Gotta love it when the truth comes out. Everything seems so much clearer. Even though it underides my trust of mortal men. Ahh, but isn't that always the way?


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