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Unnatural

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posted April 04, 2001 11:08 AM

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Is it feasible to use Clomid throught a a cycle ? just to keep the nads hanging low, (as well as an anti-E)...

Anyone have any experience with this ?

Just wondering because I'm not too sure about using anything for an extended period, let alone a synthetic estrogen...

thanks

Oh yeah...the cycle is gonna be the usual 500mg mg test for 8 weeks, first weeks are 40mg dbol/day...

thanks again


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Mikey

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posted April 04, 2001 11:16 AM

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Use the clomid 50mg every-other-day (EOD) during your cycle, and 100mgs ED for two weeks end of cycle. This will keep your test levels in check, and your boys from shrinking too much. If you are worried about gyno, then throw in some Nolvadex. Also, If you are taking D-Bol, then get yourself some milk thistle for your liver.


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GinNJuice

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posted April 04, 2001 11:20 AM

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I agree with Mikey except that many people (including myself) use clomid for 3 weeks (ED) after the cycle is complete.


Which test are you using?


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bleedo

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posted April 04, 2001 12:09 PM

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...I used to use clomid EOD throughout cycle
but don't anymore...really think it's just a waste...now I still swear by it post-cycle...
use 350 mgs.first day,100 mgs.ED for two weeks and 50mgs. the third week(or stay at
100 if I feel like I need it)...

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Stew Meat

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posted April 04, 2001 01:12 PM

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Never use clomid throughout a cycle.


-Stew


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cbr600

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posted April 04, 2001 04:43 PM

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how come stew??


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lawnsaver

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posted April 04, 2001 04:50 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Mikey:
Use the clomid 50mg every-other-day (EOD) during your cycle, and 100mgs ED for two weeks end of cycle. This will keep your test levels in check, and your boys from shrinking too much. If you are worried about gyno, then throw in some Nolvadex. Also, If you are taking D-Bol, then get yourself some milk thistle for your liver.

Mikey, how do I say this... YOUR WRONG!

Clomid taken during a cycle will only keep you balls hanging low because it keeps sperm production high. Clomid will never work while there is an androgen present in your system at keeping your natural test levels going.

Also you can build a tolenence to clomid, thus effecting your post cycle recovery.

It only works as a mild anti-estrogen during, whick nolvadex would be twice as effective.

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Stew Meat

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posted April 04, 2001 04:57 PM

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First, I will ask you "Why would you?" And I will answer your question by replying to the reasons that you give me.

-Stew


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lawnsaver

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posted April 04, 2001 05:03 PM

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Stew, you are a valued member of this board and I like your intellegent posts, but sometimes you are so condesending to rookies.
How about you repost your thread and be done with it. By the way, I just playing. I just flamed Mikey, sorry mikey.

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Unnatural

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posted April 05, 2001 01:02 AM

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"First, I will ask you "Why would you?" And I will answer your question by replying to the reasons that you give me.
-Stew"


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"just to keep the nads hanging low, (as well as an anti-E)..."

I don't mind condescension so much....it's the lack of literacy I'm worried about...

[This message has been edited by Unnatural (edited April 05, 2001).]


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SMS

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posted April 05, 2001 01:23 AM

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You guys took the words outta my mouth. Clomid during a cycle is merely an anti-estrogen. You system is flooded with so much test that clomid would be futile. Save it for post cycle and take some nolva during.


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MassKing

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posted April 05, 2001 05:27 AM

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i both agree and disagree with what some of you guys are saying. i personally would never do nolvadex during a cycle unless i had a major problem. clomid during a cycle will not help in keeping your balls but will work as a mild anti-e. i do around 3 grams per week of AS and use clomid EOD ONLY as a mild anti -e. those that say it doesnt work have never tried it then. The mistake most people make is trying to use it like nolvadex and start it once gyno has showed up. this is wrong. if you start clomid at the start of your cycle and use it the duration and then 3 weeks post cycle it works wonders on water retention and bitch tits. As far as the body getting used to clomid and the effects wearing off. that is garbage. ive been cycling like this for over 15 years and have done cycles as long as 6 months and it still works.

just my 2cents


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Stew Meat

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posted April 05, 2001 12:45 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Unnatural:


"First, I will ask you "Why would you?" And I will answer your question by replying to the reasons that you give me.
-Stew"


"just to keep the nads hanging low, (as well as an anti-E)..."


#1
Clomid will induce the release of FSH which will act up on the viceral cell of the testicles and cause them to produce semen. However, the hypothalmus will prevent the release of LH which stimulates the leydig cell of the testicles to produce testosterone. This feedbback loop will not be present post cycle when all exogenous hormone is out of the system (or at least enough so that your levels return to baseline). Taking it throughout a cycle can keep your nuts from shrinking, yet its effectiveness can wear off and may perhaps dull the pituatary's sensitivity to LHRH which may cause the restoration of HPTA to be delayed. Clomid also has other side effects such as mood altering and acne. All of these reasons are not a good trade off just to keep your nuts a little bigger (unless they are being photographed or inspected by a potential mate).

#2
Clomid will not work as an antiestrogen throughout a cycle. Its method of action is similar to Nolvadex, yet clomid has selective binding affinities while Nolvadex does not. This means that clomid was specificly designed to ONLY bind to the receptors in the hypothalamus (hence its use as a fertility drug). There, it stimulates the release of FSH (folicle stimulating hormone) which caused eggs to develop. Clomid was designed to NOT bind to estrogen receptors throughout the body like Nolvadex. Otherwise, it would lower estrogen levels and prevent the formation of a fertile egg. Clomid will NOT bind to receptors in the breast, clomid will not bind to the adipocyte receptors (fat) to prevent female pattern fat distrobution. It is useless throughout a cycle as an antiestrogen except in the hypothalamus where it can make you cranky and emotional.

Nolvadex should not be used throughout a cycle either even though it has non specific binding affinities. Nolvadex will antagonise the IGF-1 pathway preventing the increase of receptor sites and hindering the levels of circulating Growth Hormone. It is only to be taken in an emergency.

Proviron and Arimedex are excellent antiestrogens that will prevent testosterone from aromatising (turning into) estrodiol (estrogen)


On another note, I was in no way being condesending. Before I spent an hour typing out all of the resons for not using it throughout a cycle, I wanted to know his reasons for it so I could address those specific reasons.

-Stew

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Stew Meat

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posted April 05, 2001 04:13 PM

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I'm going to bump this because I want people to realize that clomid is useless as an antiestrogen during a cycle.

-Stew


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OAK

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posted April 05, 2001 05:06 PM

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This valuable info. I hate posting under my new name, it doesnt feel the same.

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Stew Meat

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posted April 06, 2001 12:41 AM

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What happened to your old log in?



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Big Johnson

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posted April 06, 2001 01:27 AM

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WOW STEW. I DON'T THINK I'LL BE TAKING CLOMID THROUGHOUT A CYCLE ANYMORE! DIDN'T KNOW IT ONLY BINDS TO EST-RECP IN THE HYPOTHALAMUS. I THOUGHT IT WAS A BASIC SYNTHETIC EST LIKE NOLVA.

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