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 200mg of primabolan a week for 8 weeks
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Novice 
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what could I expect to gain in weight and strength by taking 200mg off primo a week for 8 weeks .....how much will I lose after the cycle and do I need to take an anti estrogen    | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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YOu wont make much gains with that, maybea if you were on it for 16 weeks but 8 won';t be anything dramatic. Stack it with 600-400mg test +antiestrogens and then you'll see some good shit, stack that with 15mg dbol per day and you'll see even more gains and not many more side effects.  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 252 |
The gains are slow but you won't lose them either because they are not as dramatic and the body can adjust. If you eat and train well you can gain noticeable improvements but nothing major. On a low-calorie diet (ie. dieting ) you can lose body fat and get a little more muscle with primo. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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ronin is correct, primo works well with a high protei moderarely low calorie diet. But i would do at least 300/week to see good gains. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 809 |
Everything works best on a high protein diet. Primo however is one of the few that will actually work on a low calorie diet (low protein/carb/fat). If primo is all you are going to do, I would keep it at 200mg/wk. You go up to 300mg/wk and you're going to supress your own testosterone levels (supposedly) but 200mg/wk will not. Without adding test or something else, 300mg/wk will not give you better results than 200mg/wk. I would suggest that you run the 200 with clen/ECA -Stew | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 358 |
Hey Stew, just curious about your statement that primo at 300mg will suppress natural test levels. I have heard the opposite for the longest time. Did you find some new research? ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 426 |
I am under the same inpresion that 300mg a week is ok. I just started a primo 300mg a week cycle on fri. I am taking 200mg every 5 days, I started this cycle because I heard HPTA would not be surpressed or surpression would be minimal. As much as I have heard this I have never seen proof of how many mg of primo you can take withought surpression I have low test levels and get regular blood work so I will know soon enough. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 809 |
I don't have personal experience on this, and I can't remember where I have read it, but its the general concensus of the knowlegable vets. It makes sense to me as well. Here's why: Primo has a high affinity for the androgen receptor site. With dossages at 400mg/300wk, there would be an AR saturation reached. Since the primo has a higher affinity to the AR than your natural test, the testosterone that is left unbound will trigger a negative feedback loop letting the hypothalamus know that there are sufficent androgen levels in the body and that natural test production needs to be cut back thus reducing the release of gonadotropin. It may not lead to a complete cessation of the HPTA, but it should definately hinder it. Those who have used primobolan at high doses have supported the theroy as they seemed to suffer from suppresed endogenous hormone levels post cycle. Research has proven that 200mg/wk will not interfere with the HPTA of most people; however, I have not seen any research on dossages above this (effective) dose. I have been on a 200mg/wk pimo plus clen/ECA/pgf2a/yohimbe/tyramine cutting cycle for the past three weeks and am seeing great results. I have actually put on 10lbs so far and lost bf. -Stew | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Thanks for that info Stew...I'll keep it in mind. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 282 |
Stew Meat is absolutely right. Any exogenous androgen introduced into the system will negatively affect your HPTA axis. This is because of it's delicate feedback mechanism. Your endocrine system will immediately start producing less of it's own hormones if it notices any increase in normal levels. This is why bridging is NOT an effective means of restoring your hormonal levels. This is also the basis of why using a long taper at the end of a cycle is not that effective. ------------------ quote: | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 234 |
I don't think 200mg Primo/week is gonna do much for you. Throw in some Winny @ 50mg/day. Later. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 124 |
Negative feed-back loops cannot be suppressed to varying degrees. It is an all or none response. Either the pathway is active or it is not. If there are higher than normal levels of test, the excess test will bind along the mechanism of test production and inactivate it until less than normal levels are reached. Then there is no excess test to bind and inhibit the mechansism of production and it is therefore active again. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 358 |
Great! Now I'm really lost. Two different opinions...or theories I should say. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 809 |
But just as soon as "it is active again" it is inactivated because it has no place to bind because the receptors have been saturated by the primo which AR has a much stronger affinity for... therefore the HPTA remains suppressed continuously. After a long cycle, it may take longer for the natural hormonal balance to restore therfore clomid will be a great aid by speeding gonadotropin release by binding to estrogen receptors and presenting a two fold reason for natural test production to resume (one= low test, two = low estrogen).
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 581 |
stew, my hpta was not suppressed after 8 weeks @300mgs. everybody is different though. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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That's good to know Fenner. I have heard of people saying that 400mg/wk will and I've heard research saying that 200mg/wk won't. But I'm glad to know that 300 didn't for you... Maybe that is below the threshold. I would assume that that threshold would depend on the active number of receptors that one has. Years of training and exogenous hormone levels can increase the number of receptor sites. So a newbie may have his HPTA suppressed by 300mg/wk yet a vet may not. Anyone ever had any HPTA problems with 300mg/wk? Just because you did doesn't mean you're a newbie 
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Mutant   
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I've made gains off 50mg every 3 days for 8 weeks. It all depends on your body. Mine react wonderful to p-bolan. My first time I think I gained about 8 pounds and kept it all. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 124 |
Stew, are you saying that once the level in the blood drops below normal because exogenous AS are no longer being administered, the negative feedback loop is no longer being inhibited and begins production again. However the newly produced endogenous test has no AS receptors to bind to because primobolan has them saturated. Therefore the newly produced test binds in the negative feedback and once again suppresses normal production. So primobolon itself doesn't directly suppress HTPA only indirectly. Is this your point? Sounds logical. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 282 |
Fener, how did you know that your HPTA was not affected? Did you you get monthly blood work? ------------------ quote: | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 809 |
That's my theroy, bigbone. I don't see any other way to explain the supression. Low dose primo would leave enough AR sites for the endogenous test to bind to leaving less to become left over, unbound, and triggering the negative feedback loop.
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Fener what were your final results of your 8 week 300mg cycle? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 124 |
Fener, I too would like to know if you had your weekly test levels checked. We've all heard that primobolon will shut down HTPA at around 300 mg, indirectly were assuming, but never seen anyone actually test it, only what it says in steroid profiles. [This message has been edited by bigtbone (edited April 02, 2001).] | ||
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Cool Novice 
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Interesting reading everything I have ever read suggest 400mg is the cut off point so I voted to go for 300 per week to be safe. If I am ending a 500mg per week test cycle and going straight into primo 300mg per week would you guys suggest to start the clomid as normal one week after last shot of test or considering the fact i might be shut down by the primo would it be a waist or a contradiction of each other? how would you go about it?? thanks ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 426 |
still interested if blood work was done when using 300mg/ml in refference to HPTA not being shut down. I had blood work before this cycle and am doing a primo only and will have blood work right after so I will deffiantly post all my results,blood /cycle of 300mg a week | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 72 |
Sorry perhaps I am thick but when you say you take 300 primo/week, do you take it in 2 injects ( say Mon 200 and Thur 100) or do you inject say 200mg every 5 days - which is better ???? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Whats the big deal if it supresses HPTA just take clomid at the end of your cycle. Its not like clomid costs alot like primo does. | ||
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Mutant
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quote: Because some people wish to use it for a bridge, perhaps? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 426 |
I am taking 200mg every 5 days which averages out to 300mg a week. Which is better , I have no idea I just feel like my blood levels will be more uniform this way. As far as why would one worry about hpta. Well I have low test levels and it takes me like 6 months to get them back to the low end of normal with the aid of clomid. I just want to hit a cycle where I do not cause so much surpression because for me, total surpression puts me out of the game for a while. I do not like the feeling of a crash it was really hard for me physically and emotionally. Not to mention I want to have kids and not be on test replacement for the rest of my life. To make a long story short if I can do 1 test cycle a year, with shut down, and then do one primo/ anavar cycle with no or little shut down will be one happy camper. The only two cycles I have done involved decca and test. I am going to do a test eq cycle next Jan. Hopefully it was the decca that shut me down so hard but untill then I want my HPTA somewhat functioning. If decca was the culprit and I come back fairly quick after test,eq then I will put the primo/anavar cycles aside. I guess my health is the #1 factor in the cycles I choose. Regular blood work is a must for me | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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I don't think we ever addressed his question No, you don't need an antiestrogen with primobolan. And the weight that you can gain is from 5-25lbs in 8 weeks. It all depends on how long you've been lifting, your metabolism, your response to gear, your diet, and several other issues.
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Sorry about that last post guys, that was pretty stupid of me. |
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posted April 02, 2001 03:57 AM
