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 EQ/Winny/Tes - Need to protect Liver and/or Kidneys?
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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Please read the whole thing before responding .... My cycle starts with Test & EQ for 8 weeks, then ... Winny & EQ for 6 weeks. I am drinking the Winny. Will I need to protect liver and or kidneys? And WHICH of the above AS's necessitate that (becuase for example, if its the Winny .. I wont need it until I switch over). Thanks guys.     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 161 |
Everytime you're on a cycle, take Milk Thistle, period. No ifs and no buts. Are you too cheap to spend $6 to protect your liver? Minimum should be 400mg Silymarin. As for protecting your kidneys, there's nothing you can do about it. Some people are taking cranberry juice thinking they are protecting it from gear - but they are wrong. What cranberry juice does is lower the pH of your kidney to 7, neutral, to kill bacterial infection because they can't live in neutral pH environment. It has nothing to do with roids and I wish people would read up on it more. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 280 |
bump. come on .......... someone must have some detailed advice that responds to my qustions | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 758 |
MILK THISTLE, PERIOD | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 280 |
Will I need to protect liver and or kidneys?
And WHICH of the above AS's necessitate that? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 758 |
STOP TRYING TO MAKE THINGS COMPLICATED. TAKE MILK THISTLE ALL THE WAY THREW YOUR CYCLE TO PROTECT YOUR LIVER, BOTTOM LINE. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 280 |
Excuse me for want to learn the facts and information BEHIND the advice. Your response did not answer the question, so if you don't have a real answer, or know "why" or the details yourself - then dont respond. I dont just take "advice" at face value - especially when I dont know the person. I want to have an understanding and information so that I know the facts and theorioes behind the advice. That is how you actually learn. Imagine oif thios board and other resources like it only had "yes/no" answers - that would increase and disseminate knwoledge to anyone. By the way - its called a "Caps Lock" key. Look into learning how to turn it off. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 758 |
BRO, IF YOU WANT TO GO AROUND ASKING THE SAME QUESTION ALL DAY THEN BE MY GUEST. ALL I AM TRYING TO DO IS TELL YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO NO. IF YOU DONT WANT TO LISTEN, I COULD CARE LESS, BUT IM NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND HAVE A PISSING MATCH WITH YOU ALL DAY. PEACE P.S DO YOU LIKE THE CAPS? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 161 |
When you take roids, toxins builds up in your liver. If you take a blood test, you'll see that your liver values will be above normal. This is why you take Milk Thistle. Silymarin (the chemical in Milk Thistle) encourages damaged liver cells to regenerate and perform up to par. It deters toxins from penetrating liver cells. As a bonus, it also guards against free radical oxidation by boosting your body's ability to synthesize glutathione. Winny, in particular, is the worst culprit. Because it's an oral roid (you said you're drinking it), it goes through your liver and exits through your kidney so you get double whammy. Even injectable roids, you are still risking your liver. Your Milk Thistle should have at least 400mg of Silymarin and take it once a day. If it were me, I'd take it twice a day if I'm taking oral roids. If you can afford roids, then you can afford this. [This message has been edited by Mask (edited April 01, 2001).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 280 |
So, am I to understand that ..... Roids in general create a stress on your system to the extent that almost all of them do throw off your liver to various degrees .... and ..... that this effect is much more pronounced when doing Orals.... so that in general, when taking Roids, liver protection is a good idea however with the case of Orals (drinking winny, D-Bols, A-bombs, etc) this liver-stressing effect, and therefore the need to assist the liver, is much more pronounced? Do any of the substances I listed necessitate protection of the kidneys to any degree? Thank you to the bro who provided the knowledgeable response which actually explains the reasoning behind the answer. I am not asking these questions so to "save money" - its about learning and knowing what to do, and why. BTW - see? Big letters, little letters, easy to read ...... ahhhhhhhh. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 161 |
Correct on everything. As for the kidneys, I don't know how to protect them. I don't think it's as big of a deal as protecting the liver though. | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 2998 |
I know someone who is currently on a cycle using 1750mgs of test / wk and 500mgs of eq / wk no milk thistle and no problems or changes in his liver. But winny will be a problem greater than the test and eq. Remember everyone is different. Peace | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 161 |
Good point Iron, everyone is different but you can't be too careful. It's like DHT. Some people can take as much test as they want without losing hair, but that doesn't mean it won't happen to the next guy. The last thing you want is to be a victim of a preventable disaster. |
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posted April 01, 2001 05:34 AM