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 Short and heavy cycles anyone??
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Novice 
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I just recently read Paul borrensen�s book "The Stack". He favors heavy gear use for short periods of time (25 days cycle).
I am probably going to try it myself.    | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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The theory AGAINST is that with lots of short cycles, you spend more time with your natural test suppressed relative to the amount of time on. This is simplistic, because there's nothing that says the total amount of gear has to be conserved. Perhaps with P.B's system you can use more gear with less toxicity.  | ||
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Novice
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What Paul Borrensen is saying in the Stack book is that you should get in and get out before hurting your body. His view is that in a very short cycle such as 25 days, you won�t suppress your hormone system and you won�t have as much side effects. Ex: Day 1-10 1000 to 2000mg of sostenon Day 10-20 1000 to 2000mg (same amount of mg as the first 10 days) of Equipoise (or primobolan or Deca) Day 20-30 Winstrol inject at 50mg every day. You stop everything at day 30. All of the drugs are out of your system. Take 30 days off and do it again. Any opinions? | ||
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Cool Novice 
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bump..... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 59 |
bump......i'd like to know more about this too | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 76 |
I am very attracted to that theory. Since reading the mesomorphosis.net study on a 2 week cycle I have thought there is proof to back it up. Natural T levels not diminished at all. Now what I am wondering is why are guys always talking about 8 week cycles (or 10 or 12) and sometimes 2-3 week cycles ("short" cycles)... but no one ever does anything in between, say 5 or 6 weeks. I think 5 or 6 weeks could be a safe, effective cycle and I bet would give good gains that would be about the same as 8 weeks when you factor in coming off and losing muscle. | ||
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Novice
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Has anyone here tried such a cycle? Anyone read the book "The Stack"? It�s got some pretty high flying stacks in. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 119 |
Going for more than 2 weeks breaks up all the ideia behind the SHORT CYCLES. Going for more than 2 weeks will shut down your natural test production... cycle example: By day 14, you're system will most probably be clean, and your natural test levels won't change, bringing in all the side effects... Some don't think it works, but some do. I am willing to try one out soon... Thankx | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 105 |
If you go more than 2 weeks. You may as well go 8-10. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 193 |
HI I just finished 4 weeks on 700mg test ethantate, my last injection was on thursday 3-29, Ate alot, sleep alot and made great gains in weight, size and strength. (I'm 5'5", 167 lbs, 15% bf and 50 years old.) Started clen today, got so dizzy I thought I was going to pass out. Any way my Point- the mini cycle is great except now I just want to make a trip to Mexico and get more gear and do a 12-14 week cycle. Which is exactly what I hope to do in the next two weeks. I did not read the above mentioned book. I did the mini cycle because it was the only gear I had and have only purchased from Mexico. Thinking about an overseas source for expediencey. | ||
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Cool Novice
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Hey South- mail me. I've planning on applying some of Paul's theories at some point. would be nice to be in contact with someone else who does. | ||
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Novice
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You have mail big guy. Solid spine, What were your gains (how much weight did you gain)? Is it your first cycle? Keep me posted on how you do. I would really like to know how much of those gains will you keep and how well did you come off (if you felt lethargic, depressed, ect). | ||
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Novice
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Anabolix Thanks for the reply. Where did you hear/read about your hormone system shutting off after 2 weeks? I am curious and would like to learn about this. How long acting is the cyp? I don�t have the fina with me nor the propinate but i think something like this should work: Day 1 1000cyp Day1-14 winstrol 50mg inj every day Everything out by day 15. What do you guys think? I am trying to find the best way for me to cycle the juice.Coming off a cycle has always been very difficult for me: lost of muscle, feeling lethargic, depressed, no sex drive. This lasts up to a month!! No matter if I used clomid and HCG, I always crashed hard after a cycle of testo. I have tried deca and eq but they don�t do much for me. I want to continue making gains but I don�t want to crash. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 124 |
In someone's post about deca a couple days ago there was a link to a scientific study published in a medical journal. I think the link was in medline, I'm not sure, but I read it and they graphed the daily decline in natural test production when using only 100 mg deca/week!! Just one shot caused the HTPA to be suppressed in a matter of days causing natural levels to decline immediately. Started rebounding around 14 days after last shot if I remember correctly. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Let me reiterate...If the amount of juice is conserved, short cycles are clearly a bad idea. If Paul is saying you can use MASSIVE quantities of juice with no ill effects if you keep it short and actually make more gains than if you use less juice spread out over a longer period of time... who knows? One more thing, if he's saying short cycles | ||
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Cool Novice
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SHORT CYCLE for First User may be better: What do you think guys? Some first time users only do Primobolan at around 250-300mg a week without shutting down Natural test, and reportedly gain 8-14lbs (8-12wk cycle -NOT SURE?) keeping it all if rest+food+training is correct. (Plus NO AROMATIZATION WORRIES) Since Primobolan does not shut down natural test (theoretically) at up to 300mg a week, WHY NOT ADD A HIGH DOSE OF SUTENON THE FIRST WEEK and get your TWO week SHORT cycle in then leveling off the third week allowing the last part of the sustenon to mix in with the Primobolan at 300gms total. Continue a cycle of Primo & Anavar for the next 3 weeks at around 300 mgs total. OF COURSE Clomid would be used to help keep the natural test up at the end of the cycle. (also start on creatine to help muscle cells stay in an "anti-catabolic" state) I was thiking permanent gains and safety on something like this would be awesome. Feel free to add any advice or completely blow this out of the water guys!!! JUST A THOUGHT! |
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posted April 01, 2001 01:02 AM