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Flashover

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posted March 31, 2001 11:46 PM

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Looking for some opinions from some brothers on what is a good poor mans cycle. If you only had a couple of hundred dollars to spend on a cycle becuase feeding your family is more important, what would you buy that would give and keep decent gains while still saving your pocketbook?


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'ORCHITIS'

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posted March 31, 2001 11:51 PM

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T200 and maybe some Nor200. Depends on what you wish to use.

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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted March 31, 2001 11:59 PM

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Omnadren & d-bol...


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RIPPER720@

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posted April 01, 2001 12:39 AM

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This was taken from Trevor Smith at Biohazardusa

THE POOR MAN'S CYCLE

By Trevor Smith

I have to say that an inordinant number of the emails that come my way have a shared theme in common. They ususal all start off saying "Trevor, I want to get freaky and huge.....but I only have access to......" and so they ask how they can achieve their goals, believeing that it is necessary to have a bevy of drugs in the system with each cycle. Can I get big without G.H.? What if I can't get Anadrol? I can't keep insulin in my fridge cause I live at home and don't want my mom to see...etc...etc.

Hopefully when you are done reading this article you will come to the ultimate realization that those who K.I.S.S. always wind up achieving a hell of a lot more than those who don't. (I am assuming that everyone knows that K.I.S.S stands for keep it simple stupid) Contrary to popular belief, there is no magic bullet that exists that will seperate you from the rest of the pack. Actually I should rephrase that because there is and it is called attitude, but I was referring to drugs.

So here we are, on a limited budget and do not have many connections with the local scum-bag steroid dealers who are telling everyone that they have real parabolan and that is what will make you the next Dorian Yates. You are not really sure what is real and what is fake, but you need to get on a cycle. The question is what do you do. Certainly not 8 week cycles of Winstrol!

Now 9 times out of 10 you are going to be able to access a few of the basics and that is what you should go for. Every dealer on the planet is going to have some mexican veterinarian testosterone and veterinarian deca. These two are known as Testerona 200 and Norandren 200. Now I will be the first to say that both products are not the best available and are often underdosed. But beggers can't be chosers and each product contains what it is supposed to in terms of the actual compound. The rule of thumb with Mexican drugs is to take off 50mg per ml of dosage strength and work with that as your amount per ml. This would mean that each ml of Testerona 200 will more than likely yield around 150mg/ml and the same goes for the Norandren 200. Now the Testerona 200 sells for 15-20 dollars in mexico and the Norandren sells for around 65 dollars in mexico. With this in mind, one should not be paying more than 45-50 dollars for a 10ml vial of Testerona 200 and no more than 100-110 dollars for the Norandren 200 on the black market. Everyone can appreciate the risk that individuals take when supplying goodies to everyone, but there is a fine line between risk and greed.

So, you've managed to set aside $200 for your course and you are ready to go. For the $200 you should be able to get

Two 10ml vials of Testerona 200

1 10ml vial of the Norandren 200

But the question is what do you do with it. I mean what is the smartest way to insure maximum growth and minimum side effects? We are going to look at this question under the assumption that you cannot get or afford anything else. No arimidex, No Novladex, No Clomid.

Because of these factors it is of the utmost importance that the length of the cycle be kept as short as possible. Remember, more than anything else, length of time dictates what side effects you will most likely incur, and since nobody is writing to me on how they can get a nice set of C-cups to sport around the gym in a cute little halter top, I am going to go out on a limb and say that everyone is looking to avoid Gyno at all costs. Now normally I don't like cycles longer than 8 weeks and shorter than 6, but in this case we will have to kind of make an exception. I say kind of, because there will be a 10-14 day period after the course has "ended" where there will still be stuff in the system. So without further discussion let's see what we got:

4mg per pound of bodyweight for the Testerona 200 each week.and 2.5mg per pound of bodyweight for the Norandren 200 each week should do the trick...so let's use the example of a 200lb bodybuilder then.

4 week cycle

week 1: Monday : 400mg of Testerona 200 and 250mg of Norandren 200

Friday: same

weel 2: Monday: same

Friday: same

week 3: Monday: same

Friday: same

week 4: Monday: same

Friday: same

Now after your last shot on Friday of week four, it will be necessary to take the next 5-6 weeks off. This is because the Test and the Deca will be in your system for 10-14 days after the last shot. Then you will need 3-4 weeks clean time after that before you would start another course.

Gyno should not occur in a course like this under normal circumstances. Of course if you have pre-exisiting gyno or are Hyper sensitive to it, you are going to have to get your hands on a few tabs of Arimidex. One tab a week for each of the 4 weeks should do the trick.

Water retention can be controlled with a good amount of Vitamin C each day (5 grams) along with an herbal diuretic.

What is of the utmost importance with all courses and in particular with courses like this one, is that you pay extra attention to the ancillary details.

Sleep: YOU MUST GET 8 HOURS PER NIGHT

Nutrition: YOU MUST GET IN 2 GRAMS OF PROTEIN FOR EACH POUND OF BODYWEIGHT...EVEN MORE IF YOU ARE CARB SENSITIVE AND NEED TO KEEP CARBS TO 300 GRAMS OR LESS PER DAY. FAT SHOULD BE KEPT AT 30 GRAMS PER DAY. AS STATED ABOVE, CARBS SHOULD BE KEPT AT 300 GRAMS PER DAY IF YOU ARE CARB SENSITIVE, BUT IF YOU ARE NOT, YOU CAN TAKE IN 3 GRAMS OF CARBS PER POUND OF BODYWEIGHT.

Training: MUST BE BALLS TO THE WALL, ALL OUT AND CONSISTENT

This is all pretty much common sense, but since I get bombarded with the same questions over and over, I felt it would benefit a few people if I wrote an article like this.

Remember if you have any questions regarding this or any other of the material on this site feel free to email me any time as I am here to help

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YAKUZA

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posted April 01, 2001 12:57 AM

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Huck said it best.


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Mass Monster

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posted April 01, 2001 01:09 AM

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I am doing the d-bol 30mg 4.5 weeks and omna at 500-750 for 8 weeks only $300 and I am growing at an awesome rate. Huck's right this is a good path to take!

Mass Monster

Ripper I liked the post very informative for some of the bros!


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lawnsaver

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posted April 01, 2001 01:10 AM

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You can save more with t-200 and dbol.

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Flashover

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posted April 01, 2001 01:15 AM

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Huck.........excellent info man THANKS A TON!
Lawnsaver......How much Dbol is good to take with the test?


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whacker1

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posted April 01, 2001 01:00 PM

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IP, IP, IP. For $200 you could get:

15 grams of d-bol (equivalent of 3,000 tabs)

or

16grams of deca( 80 amps of "deca),

or

10grams of sustanon(40 amps of sust)

or

3.2grams of oxandrolone (1280 tabs of
anavar).


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FirstTimeUser0001

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posted April 01, 2001 02:16 PM

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Why the hell would you want 3,000 pills of dbol?


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Mass Monster

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posted April 01, 2001 02:25 PM

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3000 d-bol yea just take 85 a day for 5 weeks you should see some good gains. Make sure you have nolva on hand!

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Green

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posted April 01, 2001 03:50 PM

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I'd go with:

1 bottle ref-b (liquid dbol 25mg/cc 50cc bottle) $85-$125 depending where you get it.

2 bottles T200 $55 a pop

Right there you have enought to put on some decent size if this is your first cycle. I'd start the ref out at 2cc/day for 2 weeks and drop it to 1cc/day until gone. I'd take the T200 as follows:

Week 1-2 600mg T200 ; 2cc ref-b a day
Week 3 600mg T200 ; 1cc ref-b a day
Week 4-8 400mg T200 ; 1cc ref-b a day until gone.
Week 9 what ever you can squeeze out of the bottles.

This will put some nice size if it's your first cycle or two. Don't forget clomid for the end ($25).

Later,
Green

Cycle total:
$210


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Bubba

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posted April 01, 2001 04:57 PM

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Excellent replies on this post. I like the
D-bol / Test cycles. You get real strong and put on size. Good bang for the buck.


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Jback

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posted April 01, 2001 07:08 PM

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dbol, omna and nor 200.

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##spiderbaby##

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posted April 01, 2001 07:15 PM

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Thats the route I'm gonna go
Dbol-(25mg/d) & cyct 4-500mg/wk


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Hugh Gellatts

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posted April 01, 2001 07:28 PM

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converted tren is a damn good deal...espec considering that you don't need to use that much for it to be effective.


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ryker77

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posted April 01, 2001 07:42 PM

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My first cycle
Fina 75mgs EOD with 2/3ml prop. I got two carts of Fina and a kit for less than 100 and one 20ml vial of prop for 55.00 and 24 tabs of clomid 30.00 Total cycle cost including shipping was less than 200.00
That was my first cycle and I went from 160ish to 182. Kept 10-12lbs of LBM.
And I still have enough fina for two more light cycles.


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bigrand

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posted April 01, 2001 08:18 PM

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T-200 and fina.


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DrSuperSaint

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posted April 01, 2001 08:20 PM

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Hey guys, what do you think of doing a cycle of only Sust 250 ... something like 500mg a week for 8 weeks? maybe more, I mean that's what I did, and I got pretty good results. ??


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Sixstix

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posted April 01, 2001 10:31 PM

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kick ass post ripper...Thanks


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Flashover

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posted April 02, 2001 09:17 AM

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THANKS FOR THE GREAT INFO GUYS!!!! ANY MORE SUGGESTIONS?


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whodaman

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posted April 02, 2001 10:01 AM

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I agree with the fina 2 bottles t-200 and 1 bottle ref-b if you can afford all of them.


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Wrongun

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posted April 02, 2001 11:16 AM

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T-200 & Dbol (+Clomid) you will not go far wrong


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Photobear

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posted April 02, 2001 01:32 PM

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Does using the injectable D-bol remove the liver problems associated with the oral administration? I have been concerned about that. Other than that d-bol with Test sounds like a great choice.

[This message has been edited by Photobear (edited April 02, 2001).]


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