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BigPapaPump Moderator (Total posts: 204) |
posted April 25, 2000 05:50 PM
   I should know the answer to this but I find myself either brain dead or questioning my own logic. Let me throw these ideas on the wall and someone tell me what sticks. We've all been told that you must eat high cals for growth. The easiest way to obtain a high cal diet is by consuming large amounts of carbs and fat. If this is in fact true, what part does protien play in growth ? In other words, can a very high protien diet which is low in fat and carb still promote growth ? The keto type diets to my understanding are a carb deplete with moderate fat levels, to provide energy. I've proposed a simple very easy meal plan that has 1260 cals, 240 grms of pro, 3 grms of carbs and 14 grms of fat. Providing I can trick my internal furnace to give my the energy, what will happen to my mass ? BPP IP: Logged |
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dude Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 204) |
posted April 25, 2000 05:55 PM
I don't think you will gain mass but if you up your protein you can spare muscle because that protein will be utilized before muscle protein if necessary. Carbs play an important role in restoring glycogen levels in the muscle which are needed for pumps and recovery. IP: Logged |
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coolhandluke Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 551) |
posted April 25, 2000 05:58 PM
carbs are protein sparing. you will burn alot of pro on that diet....maybe add in some fats?? IP: Logged |
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Primo_man Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 129) |
posted April 25, 2000 07:51 PM
What are your stats, I'm guessing that you are using this diet for cutting, but I'll need more info. IP: Logged |
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Kahn Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 46) |
posted April 25, 2000 08:29 PM
I've done the low/no carb thing down to about 5% and it ain't pretty. I was a mean son-of-a-bitch. You'll have to take in more fat. Keep the carbs less than 50 grams then split the other 1060 calories however you want but keep the fat moderat but not rediculous low. You'll need to eat a multi-vitamin every time you eat. Keep your urine flowing bright yellow so you know you're pising the vitamins. Take a calcium supplement every time you eat, also. Protein leeches calcium in high doses and you won't be taking shit for carbs. Find grape-seed extract for all the free-radicals you're going to be uncorking, it's one of the best free-radical scavengers. Drink a lot of water if not just water. Don't touch alcohol. If you're strict with it, do 3 or 4 days with no carbs and eat healthy low fat for one day and then do it again til the show. Lots of carbs on the normal day, if you go for about 5 days with no carbs your body will slow your metabolism. I'd take in a boatload of calories in protein, they'll speed your metabolism. The fat will help with an insulin response of their own. The calories sound low, are you around 5' tall? Shit,this is a lot of babble, I hope I said something for ya. IP: Logged |
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beercan Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 27) |
posted April 25, 2000 08:36 PM
Bad idea. Mail me, with an outline of what you normally eat during the day. I'll work something out for you.(I'm a RD) IP: Logged |
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the truth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 446) |
posted April 25, 2000 09:28 PM
You'll burn muscle for fuel. A ketogenic diet should be at least 50% fat. Also the calories are too low. You should be able to lose fat on a keto diet while consuming at or around your baseline caloric requirements. IP: Logged |
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DianaBallBusta Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 582) |
posted April 25, 2000 09:37 PM
beercan check your mail bro......just dropped ya a line. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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BigPapaPump Moderator (Total posts: 204) |
posted April 25, 2000 10:37 PM
Ok I guess I should have been more specific. I have no need for diet help. My thoughts are simply why will carb depletion actually cause a loss in muscle mass ? Yes you need carbs for your energy levels but the gear and other meds can cover that for a short time. I don't buy into the whole glycogen replacement theory as a means for added growth. The basic function of steroids is to increase protein synthesis within the muscles. The basic premise of adding fat into your diet for added cals would negate the fact that you must have high amounts of carbs. The fat is being used as a means of energy. WHich brings us back to part of my original thoughts, is it the fact that we actually must consume high cals for growth or is it because when we consume these high cals we are actually also consuming a higher amount of protein ? COuld you grow if your diet only consisted of carbs ? No way. In my specific example, if I use the generally accepted bmr/amr caloric needs, at 205 lbs I should be eating atleast 3200 cals a day to maintain my current body weight. I've played this game for years and have to tell you that since I've been back, I've ate no where near that amount. I do however make sure that I eat atleast 200 grms of protein per day and have put on 20 lbs in about 5 weeks. I guess that I've been low carb without really knowing it. If you've had the pleasant experience of the Test, dbol and clen 'buzz' then you know that you generally have enough energy to get through the toughest workouts regaurdless of what you've had to eat that day. I appreciate all the responces and look forward to more. I don't want to sound like a jerk but I'm not looking for beginners advice here. BPP IP: Logged |
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Doc Ponch Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 50) |
posted April 26, 2000 06:06 PM
Carb depletion will only cause a muscle loss during times where your body is using glycogen for fuel, not ketones as in CKD diets, and there is a deficit between glycoen requirements and glycogen availability. In this situation, the body converts amino acids into glycogen. Guess where those aminos come from. Dietary protein, and if none is available, the break down of skeletal muscle. This is why protein requirements become so high on a calorie restricted diet. As Will Brink once wrote, protein requirements are inversely proportional to total caloric intake. If your body is able to use dietary protein for repair/growth primarily because other calories are available for fuel, the amount required is less than if some is being scavenged to make up for glycogen deficits. That's why I like the CKD's so much. You know that your body is using primarily fat for fuel all the time, which spares muscle. The Doctor IP: Logged |
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