posted April 21, 2000 06:18 PM            

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Ok, I havn't done a cycle in a year because I want to make this one the best. I thought the long time off would lead to better results. So here it is:

Week 1 750mg of sust 50mg of clomid EOD
Week 2 750mg of sust 50mg of clomid EOD
Week 3 500mg of sust 50mg of clomid EOD,14iu of insulin ED
Week 4 500mg of sust 50mg of clomid EOD, 14iu of insulin ED
Week 5 500mg of sust, 75mg of fina EOD, 50mg of clomid EOD, 14iu of Insulin ED
Week 6 250mg of sust, 75mg of fina EOD, 50mg of clomid EOD, 14iu of Insulin ED
Week 7 250mg of sust, 75mg of fina EOD, 50mg of clomid EOD, 14iu of Insulin ED
Week 8 250mg of sust, 75mg of fina EOD, 50mg of clomid EOD, 14iu of Insulin ED
Week 9 75mg of fina EOD, 50mg of clomid EOD
Week 10 75mg of fina EOD, 50mg of clomid EOD
Week 11 100mgs of clomid ED
Week 12 50mgs of clomid ED

I am 6'3, 185lbs, I am an ectomorph with no history of diabetes in my family. Thanks for you help.

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posted April 21, 2000 06:26 PM            

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maybe you should try to get more clomid in?
like two weeks @ 100mg and 2 @ 50 per day at the end. Also, you may wanna try dbol for the first 3 weeks or so. dont ask me about insilin. i have never tried it and frankly dont think you should either.....
have fun!

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posted April 21, 2000 06:42 PM            

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I agree with Luke on the clomid and dbol....Clomid post cycle will help maintain gains, and get your nads working again...the dbol is a great way to kick start the cycle....sus looks good...and I think you'll be very pleased Bro!!

Ranger

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posted April 21, 2000 06:49 PM            

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Dude I wouldn't touch the insulin. and I would do 750mg of SUS all the way thru. substitute the insulin with like EQ or Primo. or Even Winny.

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posted April 21, 2000 07:41 PM            

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Is this better??

Week 1 750mg of sust 50mg of clomid EOD, Dbol 25mgs/day
Week 2 750mg of sust 50mg of clomid EOD, Dbol 25mgs/day
Week 3 500mg of sust 50mg of clomid EOD, Dbol 25mgs/day
Week 4 500mg of sust 50mg of clomid EOD,
Week 5 500mg of sust, 75mg of fina EOD, 50mg of clomid EOD
Week 6 250mg of sust, 75mg of fina EOD, 50mg of clomid EOD
Week 7 250mg of sust, 75mg of fina EOD, 50mg of clomid EOD
Week 8 250mg of sust, 75mg of fina EOD, 50mg of clomid EOD
Week 9 75mg of fina EOD, 50mg of clomid EOD
Week 10 75mg of fina EOD, 50mg of clomid EOD
Week 11 100mgs of clomid ED
Week 12 100mgs of clomid ED
Week 13 50mgs of clomid ED
Week 14 50mgs of clomid ED

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posted April 21, 2000 08:39 PM            

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I feel wild today so I will try and give advice? I would not stay at 250mg for three weeks. From what I understand SUS is self-tapering?

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posted April 22, 2000 03:33 AM            

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If I keep the sust at 750mgs the whole way through do I inject it all on the same day? Will I notice a big difference if I use 750 instead of 500mgs? What are the chances of gyno with this cycle. Thank you

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posted April 22, 2000 03:34 AM            

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you ar counteracting the sus with that clomid. Start it at the end of your cycle when it starts to taper down. You are losing by doing the Clomid all the way through

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posted April 22, 2000 04:05 AM            

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105, You're confusing clomid with nolvadex.
Stay with the sust. at 500mgs/week on the
weeks you were going down to 250. Clomid
eod all through the cycle. Rest looks good.

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posted April 22, 2000 04:14 AM            

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Double up on the Fina. Otherwise looks OK.

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posted April 22, 2000 04:20 AM            

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hey saint so Clomid is the antiestrogen and Nolvadex isn't? Is that what you are saying?

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posted April 22, 2000 04:22 AM            

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Clomid gets your nuts back on track bro so why boost your test if you are going to take Clomid. It's pointless

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posted April 22, 2000 04:32 AM            

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First of all 105, it's not pointless.
Clomid keeps your nuts working so you don't
shut down your natural test production,
but you need to boost test. production
over normal levels to trigger muscle
anabolism. Clomid is a mild anti-estrogen,
but it doesn't completely stop conversion,
therefore it won't hinder gains. Nolvadex
will effect gains and has no effect on
leutenizing hormone, so it won't kick start
natural test. production.

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posted April 22, 2000 03:48 PM            

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if u really want to grow keep the insulin dont listen to anyone about a drug who has never done it try humalog it is the best take it after u train at the gym or in car with postmeal 50grms protein 100carbs get 40grms from fruit. when u get home, cook meal same 50pro. 100carbs u will be hungry u should have injested 100pro 200carbs w/in 1.5-2hrs with8-10i.u.s u will be fine i would use 1 other dose of8-10i.u.s in the morning eat meal 1hr later eat 4 peices of fruit.your muscles willfill out and u will grow u can gain muscle without AS, insulin only U DONT WEIGH MUCH DO NOT BR AFRAID TO EAT !!!! SAMM insulin forces u to eat it is great for the hardgainer

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