posted April 20, 2000 02:21 PM            

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Since anabolic steroids overflow your receptors.. would it be possible that some of your receptors get downgraded and that natural test levels will not have as much of an effect after you do alot of cycles.. therefore making you HAVE to take more cycles in order to keep any muscle... resulting in a circle of cycles with little to no gains.. loosing everything when your off.. Does anyone have any comments on why this WOULDNT happen.. I would compare it to extasy which releases serotonin.. which soaks the receptors for serotonin and them sometimes downgrades or depletes them.. thats why some people are depressed after long use because the normal serotonin receptors are downgraded.. could this possibly be a very bad effect for steroids or does anyone have an idea of why it cant be true??

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posted April 20, 2000 03:33 PM            

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I think thats why we cycle steroids. If you take them for too long, without a break, I would assume that your natural test levels might become permanently suppressed. Just a thought bro...maybe someone else can you help you out more.

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posted April 20, 2000 03:43 PM            

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I agree with thats why we cycle.. what im trying to say is that maybe after a few cycles.. even if the person has the EXACT SAME natural test levels in there body that there receptors would be downgraded and therefore they would not be able to make the gains naturally that they would have been able to make before they took the cycles..

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posted April 20, 2000 03:55 PM         

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I think it would depend on the time off in between. Do you allow enough time in between for the receptors to free up. Example- if you do a cycle and then do the exact same one 2weeks later the gains on the second are minimal. If you do a cycle and wait 12 weeks you should make decent gains. I think the reson after taking so many cycles you make the same game has to deal with some type of negative feedback mech. After you hit a certain weight you may reach your genetic potential. I like to call it a genetic drug potential since everyone responds differently to anabolics.

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posted April 21, 2000 12:02 AM         

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Your receptors recover and are restored to normal levels after cycles. There is controversy as to whether androgen receptors actually downgrade with steroid use, since there have been studies to show the opposite. The main concern is the pituitary becoming suppressed after long use of steroids.

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posted April 21, 2000 12:18 AM            

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I believe in staying on for 2-3 years straight to maximize your gains. Sounds drastic, is expensive, but all the huge guys that I know (BBers and 'Ballers) have done this. I would have to think that most pros practice this method. I used to do 12 week cycles and would go to 235 on, 215 off. I have now been on since last July and hit an all time high bw of 255. And I'm not fat. I feel this gives the body time to build the necessary veins and capilaries needed to feed the muscle. I realize that I may experience some problems when I go back to "clean living", but that is what we have clomid, anavar and viagra for.
BTW, I have read that doing over a certain dose per week(1-2grams) of gear has the ability to up-regulate receptors, or increase the number of them. Therefore, future cycles would require less AS to achieve similar results. If anyone can remember that study, post it--I'm curious again.

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posted April 21, 2000 12:36 AM            

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your theory is correct, it can happen.

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posted April 21, 2000 01:50 AM         

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Yes sir the receptors do upgrade to normal and the glands will go back to normal if to much damage isn't done. Big Dallas, bring more info on this, upgrading receptors after lengthy abuse is interesting. Learn me something please. email it if you can.

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posted April 21, 2000 02:02 AM            

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its my understanding that the opposite happens. the more androgens you have in your body, the more receptors your body makes to utilize them.

ps, if anyone here does take xtc, taking prozac 1-6 hours after you take xtc will prevent it from having any negative effects on your serotonin receptors in the long run.

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