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 Test and d-bol for cutting
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1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 30) |
posted April 20, 2000 01:01 PM
 
Question: Since all cutting gear is poorly aromatized, would adding an anti-aromatize agent to test and d-bol prevent excessive water gain and make them better suited for cutting? I mean, poor aromatization is the only attribute of cutting drugs, rite? Any takers? IP: Logged |
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DianaBallBusta Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 574) |
posted April 20, 2000 03:51 PM
 I would think that would be a waste of gear man. The whole point of taking test and dbol is to bulk up. Well you could take test suspension for cutting. Why not just take a cutting roid to get cut? Adding an anti-aromatose would probably negate the effects of the test/dbol. Just stick to the cutting roids, where they dont aromatize and you dont need to worry about adding in an accessory. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 30) |
posted April 20, 2000 04:10 PM
excuse my ignorance, but clomid and cytadren to control estrogen will not impede on your gains, by what process would they? They only control the convertion and uptake of estrogen! IP: Logged |
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E2 Moderator (Total posts: 2554) |
posted April 20, 2000 09:14 PM
1 i'll have to agree with you, it will help to prevent water retention, now that said as you know well, if you stop the production of or if you eliminate all estrogen in your body then that is very counter productive to your cycle. I'll have to disagree with you on the use of cytadren though, i don't like it, as you know it stops the converstion of cholesterol into progesterone, and if you're doing that sure it will stop the production of estrogen but Testosterone as well. As i've said before. Other than that i like your idea of taking something like proviron, in small doses to help with the aromatization, but not completely eliminate it. IP: Logged |
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DianaBallBusta Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 574) |
posted April 20, 2000 11:00 PM
Bro you never said WHICH anti-aromatose you were going to use. I never said there is anything wrong with taking clomid during a cycle. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1203) |
posted April 20, 2000 11:05 PM
The reason that gear helps to get you cut (on a low calorie/low fat diet) is because all gear is anti-catabolic. You can do all of the cardio you want (as long as you control your diet) and you will only lose the fat.
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1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 30) |
posted April 21, 2000 09:33 AM
e2, i read on the absolute truth web-site http://members.tripod.com/~absolutetruth/index2.htm, that 250mg in 4 divided doses selectively inhibits the enzyme responsible for the convertion of test to estrogen with minimal effect of the cholesterol-testosteron pathway. But also since you are on gear, you will not produce any test or very little in your body anyway. I read that on more than one medical web-sites IP: Logged |
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1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 30) |
posted April 21, 2000 10:03 AM
why is it counterproductive to eliminate estrogen when bulking? IP: Logged |
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1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 30) |
posted April 21, 2000 12:23 PM
more responses? IP: Logged |
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powerhouse2k Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2) |
posted April 21, 2000 01:05 PM
I would use the ant-aromatase for purposes of gyno or coming off a cycle not as a diuretic. Use clen it will also help your gains or just watch your sodium. Don't think you are gonna gain 30lbs. of muscle and lose 20% body fat. Unless you are on alot of gear. Or take test with winnie or primo. IP: Logged |
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susthead Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 100) |
posted April 21, 2000 01:57 PM
start you cycle take clomid with it if your nipples get puffy itchy or sore start taking tamoxifen if not then just carry on with the clomid but use sust and winstrol if your dieting the winstrol will have the desiered effect it just helps ya get lean and vascullar. IP: Logged |
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1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 30) |
posted April 21, 2000 02:51 PM
again, if anybody knows: why is it counterproductive to eliminate all estrogen when bulking IP: Logged |
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cockdezl Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 42) |
posted April 22, 2000 01:32 AM
The idea of estrogen being beneficial during a bulking cycle is due to the fact that estrogen can help increase insulin and IGF-1 levels. I have also heard that estrogen increases the concentration of androgen receptors, but I have not found any studies concerning this yet. Many have claimed that when using Nolvadex while on steroids, they have noticed reduced gains, and some studies have shown Nolvadex to reduce IGF-1 levels. As to how significant a reduction occurs is unknown, since many use anti-aromatases and estrogen inhibitors during cycles and still make excellent gains. As for using aromatizing steroids while dieting, I think that it should not matter too much if using some sort of estrogen blocker or anti-aromatase. Plus the use of test is cheaper than most drugs used for cutting, i.e. Winstrol, Primo, etc. IP: Logged |
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muscle102 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 3) |
posted April 22, 2000 09:24 AM
Good answer 2Thick, I use test and deca and clomid in pre contest prep IP: Logged |
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1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 30) |
posted April 24, 2000 08:14 AM
thats what i was thinking cockdezl (cool name), it should not matter, if i include estrogen blockers and aromatize inhibitors with test or use poorly aromatizable steroids for cutting, same results theoretically. And test is cheaper and easier to get, hence that question in the first place IP: Logged |
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1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 30) |
posted April 24, 2000 08:19 AM
guys, the topic was not what to use for cutting, we all know that, the topic as cockdezl and e2 and a few others recognized is how to use different drugs if possible to achieve less water retention for leaning, so please dont tell me about winstrol, primo, trenbolone, anavar, equipose.... thanks IP: Logged |
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Primo_man Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 86) |
posted April 24, 2000 09:44 AM
As long as you don't have a contest to worry about I'd just accept the extra water retention for a few weeks. You'll come out leaner and bigger than if you used the "cutting drugs" because those sloppy androgens are way more anticatabolic. This is just a thought but, does anybody know if any over the counter diueritics (sp) would somewhat take care of the water retention problem??? IP: Logged |
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