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Steakbomb
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted April 19, 2000 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steakbomb   Click Here to Email Steakbomb     Edit/Delete Message
I am starting a light cycle of test 200 , at only 1 cc a week (200 mg).I wanted to know if this little amount could cause side effects such as gyno.If there is a method to take this to help avoid gyno id like to know.Please Help! I have no nolvadex etc.

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DianaBallBusta
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posted April 19, 2000 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DianaBallBusta   Click Here to Email DianaBallBusta     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 65057870
Bro you wont see gyno from those dosages. You wont see much gains either.

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Unity66
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posted April 19, 2000 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unity66   Click Here to Email Unity66     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 70960516
I disagree. Its possible to experience excellent gains on 200mg/wk of enanthate providing your under 170lbs and its your first cycle. What are your stats-hight/weight. How long have you been training-how old are you? Its possible in certain situations to gain 12-20lbs on an 8wk course of enanthate. Of course, if you dont get use clomid, creatine, ephedrine..etc. post cycle you will lose most gains. For a lightweight newbie that dose will give good results providing your nutrition is good and you train intensly.

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LittleSavage34
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posted April 19, 2000 01:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LittleSavage34   Click Here to Email LittleSavage34     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 51221561
I don't see 200mg a week being a problem. It is a problem, because you could see better gains bumping that up to 500mg a week and stacking it with something like Deca or Dbol. Just my opinion.

Also, NEVER start a cycle unless it's complete. A COMPLETE cycle includes both your steroids, Clomid and Nolvadex. Always, always have those two handy.

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Steakbomb
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posted April 19, 2000 01:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steakbomb   Click Here to Email Steakbomb     Edit/Delete Message
The problem is attaining nolvadex or clomid. I know that these two block the estrogen that forms little tits.And I am well aware that I could see far better gains than just 200 mg/week. But, honestly getting little permanent boobs isnt worth the great gains, so I am really just looking for a cycle that wont give me the Gyno.How severe a cycle(test)will give you gyno and how do you detect it? Alot of questions, I know, But I thank you sincerely beforehand.

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Villan
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posted April 19, 2000 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Villan   Click Here to Email Villan     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 67120732
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I wanted to know if this little amount could cause side effects such as gyno.

I agree with Unity66 and have to disagree with DianaBallBusta. Everyone's body chemistry is different; therefore, you'll have similar, but different reactions.

For instance, I have to knock down my test intake to half a cc a week (100mg) because I blow up off of it. And I got the start of gyno by just taking 1 cc a week. Some get it, some don't. Some with smaller dosages, some with larger.

Start off with your 200 mg a week and bump it up to see if you body can handle it, if it can....then follow through. If you want to stay clear of probs, then don't start off with "insano" cycles.

Don't take advice from anyone unless you get the same opinion from everyone.

For instance, I am on Deca right now. 150 mg every 4 days. Basically 300 mg a week. Some would say, "aww, you won't grow off that, that's weak", but I have started not less than three weeks ago and have gained over 10 pounds.

It has to do with what you eat and how you train. Keep it simple with you cycle and do what your body tells you to and you'll be fine.

As far as no Nolvadex on hand, you're up a shit creek if your nips start to get sensitive. Try your hardest to get some and if you nips start getting sensitive, take 40 mg a day for one week and 20 mg a day for the next week for a total of two weeks and that'll prevent it.

The only other suggestion I have is Chrysin. I have used Chrysin in the past in place of Nolvadex when I didn't have any. You have to take a much larger amount than reccommended to see any results, but the Nolvadex is better.

If no luck with Nolv, go with Chrysin 1000 to 1500 mg a day.

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Unity66
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posted April 19, 2000 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unity66   Click Here to Email Unity66     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 70960516

You never told us your height/weight. Is this your first cycle? Some people can take a gram of test a week with little or no aromatization, others will get sore/itchy nipples if they look at enanthate. Bottom line...if you dont have all the necessary gear then dont start your cycle. It shouldnt be difficult to find nolvadex and/or clomid. Worst case scenario...mail order for it.

Unity66!

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Steakbomb
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posted April 19, 2000 02:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steakbomb   Click Here to Email Steakbomb     Edit/Delete Message
This is not my first cycle, but my only other two were on deca alone. My height is 6'3 and I weigh 230 lbs. I will try to aqcuire nolvadex but again my resources are limited and I will also try to locate a mail order as you suggest. Im a little new , so these things are a little hard for me.
Does that amount of test seem far too little for my body weight?

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Unity66
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posted April 19, 2000 02:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unity66   Click Here to Email Unity66     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 70960516
Your a big boy...200mg of enanthate should still give some results but dont expect to gain very much. As someone else said...get the clomid and nolvadex on hand-plan a proper stack. You really do need more of a dose than just 200mg/wk though. Ive always been of the opinion that mild/moderate doses are heavily dependent upon your training and nutrition. If all you have is a bottle tornell test and thats all your gonna get then you better eat a whole bunch of food and train real hard. You need more gear for your size!

Unity66!

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ThePitbull
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posted April 19, 2000 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ThePitbull   Click Here to Email ThePitbull     Edit/Delete Message
Hey Steakbomb, by the sounds of things your not a tiny fellow and you juiced before. I would jump up the dosage a little my friend so you can see some real results.

Remember, T-200 by Brovel and Tornel are famous for underdosing. So at only 1cc you probably won't be getting even 200mg. a week.

The rest of the bro's are right though, get all your shit together before starting. Clomid for sure.

Pitbull

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