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studcj
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posted April 18, 2000 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for studcj   Click Here to Email studcj     Edit/Delete Message
OK, in another post it said that this stuff will get your GH levels going nuts. Does this mean that it will help me grow taller????
I had an x-ray yesterday and my bones haven't fused yet so I am willing to try anything.
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cockdezl
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posted April 19, 2000 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cockdezl     Edit/Delete Message
Tryptophan is not that great of a GH releaser, if at all. Tryp is converted in the CNS to serotonin, so it is a better calming agent than a GH stimulant. Also, the studies that show amino's increasing GH output are usually no better or less than that produced by exercise.

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E2
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posted April 19, 2000 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for E2   Click Here to Email E2     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 54337564
sorry cocdezl, would you like to produce some studies proving what you've said, i've got studies that will show that l-tryptophan is just as reliable a gh releaser as l-dopa.

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studcj
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posted April 19, 2000 12:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for studcj   Click Here to Email studcj     Edit/Delete Message
So will it help me grow taller or what E2??
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E2
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posted April 19, 2000 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for E2   Click Here to Email E2     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 54337564
NOT SIGNIFICANTLY

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Sittin' On Diesel
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posted April 19, 2000 01:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sittin' On Diesel   Click Here to Email Sittin' On Diesel     Edit/Delete Message
Yo E2- so post some thoughts on this good stuff. What does it compare with? Blah blah...

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LittleSavage34
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posted April 19, 2000 01:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LittleSavage34   Click Here to Email LittleSavage34     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 51221561
BUMP

This topic has me interested too. Drop some more info E2!!

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cockdezl
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posted April 19, 2000 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cockdezl     Edit/Delete Message
Here you go E2. If the studies you have show Tryp to be comparable to l-dopa, then what I said was correct, since l-dopa is no better or less effective than exercise for GH release.

Ortega E, Ruiz E, Osorio C.
"Physical exercise as a functional test of hgh secretion."
Rev Esp Fisiol. 1977 Jun;33(2):87-90. Spanish.

Sutton J, Lazarus L.
"Growth hormone in exercise: comparison of physiological and pharmacological stimuli."
J Appl Physiol. 1976 Oct;41(4):523-7.


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E2
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posted April 19, 2000 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for E2   Click Here to Email E2     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 54337564
cockdezl, the gh levels may rise but are they sustained for more than 4 hours???

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BIGDT
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posted April 19, 2000 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BIGDT   Click Here to Email BIGDT     Edit/Delete Message
L-tryptophan is also the chemical in turkey that makes you tired. That's why there are so many naps taken on Thanksgiving Day. HE HE HEEEE
-Just though you'd like to know.

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BIG RICK ROCK
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posted April 19, 2000 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BIG RICK ROCK   Click Here to Email BIG RICK ROCK     Edit/Delete Message
Ok guy as always just putting up some interesting shit.


L-Tryptophan


L-Tryptophan is an amino acid, one of the building blocks of protein, but unlike some amino acids, L-Tryptophan is considered essential because the body cannot manufacture its own. L-Tryptophan plays many roles in animals and humans alike, but perhaps most importantly, it is an essential precursor to a number of neurotransmitters in the brain. As such, L-Tryptophan is the only substance that can be converted into serotonin. Since serotonin, in turn, is converted in the brain into melatonin, L-Tryptophan clearly plays a role in balancing mood and sleep patterns.

Originally developed to treat depression in humans, Prozac, Zoloft, Praxil, and others are now being prescribed for a much wider variety of disorders, including anxiety, obsessive-compulsive disorder, migraine headaches, sleep disturbances, weight loss, PMS, obesity, and back pain, and the number of prescriptions for animals is growing at a similar rate.

All of these drugs work along the same principle. Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRI's as they are known, work by increasing the level of serotonin (chemically called 5-hydroxytryptamine) by blocking its reuptake by adjoining neurons. Blocking the uptake of serotonin thereby leaves more in the synapse to act as a neurotransmitter.

It is a fact, however, that serotonin can also be elevated in the way nature intended, namely, by elevating serotonin's building blocks in the diet. L-Tryptophan is the best known and most widely used nutritional supplement for this purpose. The conversion of L-Tryptophan to serotonin is a two-step process. First, L-Tryptophan is converted into 5-hydroxy L-Tryptophan, or 5-HTP, and 5-HTP is then, in turn, converted into serotonin. This is the process by which serotonin is produced from food. Unfortunately, L-Tryptophan is also the least abundant amino acid in foods. The good news, though, is that research conducted at MIT years ago established that serotonin levels can be increased by supplemental, dietary L-Tryptophan.

While animal studies are commonly used to predict the benefits of a new drug or nutrient to humans, human studies also help to point the way to improved treatments in animals. In studies done with humans on two continents by Lehman, Braverman, and Pfeiffer, depressed patients were found to have very significantly lower plasma levels of L-Trypto-phan than normal controls. By way of contrast, changes in thirty other amino acids were not significant. To list just a few potential applications, human studies have also demonstrated L-Tryptophan's benefits in treating Down's syndrome and aggressive behavior. In parallel to human studies, a survey of horse owners reported that horses fed soy meal, which has nearly five times the level of L-Tryptophan as oats, seem less aggressive than those horses fed oats.

The question remains, how does L-Tryptophan compare with SSRI's in treating clinical conditions? A study done by a team of Swiss and German psychiatric researchers comparing the L-Tryptophan metabolite, 5-HTP, with the SSRI, Fluvoxamine, found that depression was alleviated more predictably with 5-HTP, and while side effects are commonly reported for Fluvoxamine, the Physician's Desk Reference does not list any for 5-HTP. The researchers went on to conclude that the L-Tryptophan metabolite actually treats a broader range of symptoms known as "serotonin deficiency syndrome," which may manifest as depression, anxiety, sleeplessness, aggression, nervousness, obsessive-compulsive behavior, and migraines ... many of the same symptoms that are being treated today in humans and animals alike with SSRI's.

While both L-Tryptophan and 5-HTP are building blocks for serotonin, they are not identical in their action. 5-HTP, for example, is one step closer in the biochemical pathway to serotonin than is L-Tryptophan, but 5-HTP is also much more expensive to produce and narrower in its action. L-Trypto-phan, in addition to being a precursor to serotonin, is also a precursor to niacin and can be used in the treatment of pellagra. It is really L-Tryptophan rather than niacin that acts as an essential vitamin. Furthermore, L-Tryptophan is an essential amino acid that plays a role in structural proteins and enzymes found throughout the body.

Whether or not deficiency symptoms exist, L-Tryptophan is clearly an essential amino acid that supports the nutritional and dietary requirements of pet and equine health. Furthermore, in the treatment of deficiency disorders, natural L-Tryptophan has clear advantages over the SSRI's, Prozac, Zoloft, Praxil, and others, for which severe side effects continue to be documented.

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