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Author | Topic: The Truth about 'E' and Gear |
GROWTH Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 22) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() It's ok if you do E once or twice a month while on juice. It will have no effect to your weight or strength, if you do the right things after a night of trippin on 'E'. After the night is over make sure to eat or have a protein shake, even if you dont have an apetite. And the next day all you should do is eat and eat eat. Also, consume at least 2 gallons of water the next day. This being because when your on E and your dancin all night your losing all of your water weight, not muscle. And it would also flush the E out of your system much quicker. It is also not recommended to do more than 3 pills a month because this puts a tremendous strain on your liver, the combination of all the toxins in the E and the juice is really bad. This is just my two cents about E and juice because I've been around plenty of guys like myself that love to do E, but must take the precautions. IP: Logged |
swole Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 12) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() bump!! i do e about once a month and it has no effect on my gains in the gym... just my 2 cents too. swole IP: Logged |
BIGBADFKR Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 207) |
![]() ![]() ![]() i agree, as long as you limit it to once a month, and eat as much as you can the next day, plus drink plenty of water, i have never come across any problems. but it is pretty bad on the liver doing both, kind of like burning the candle at both ends. IP: Logged |
triton Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 46) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() One thing that was not mentioned and should be is 5-HTP. This helps with the Serotonin levels in the brain. It combats the methyldeoxy methamphetamine(MDMA)bad side effects. Go the the local Wal-Mart. Find the vitamin section. The bottles cost about $10 for 30 capsules. Take one an hour before. Then take one every time you take a corresponding "tab". The next day along with Vit. C, protein, H2O continue to take them. This helps the transfer back to normalcy without the post party depression that X is known for. Hope this helps. IP: Logged |
lexicon Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 23) |
![]() ![]() ![]() I figure i'll hear a lot of crap about this but can no way let it go. The truth about"E" is that it is extremely dangerous. I would not be surprised if it is responsible for more emergency room visits and deaths than Heroin. You guys are only making excuses to make yourselves/others believe that a insane action is ok. If you also use gear you are even more likely to hurt your body. I'm not talking about little shit but about things like scarring your heart. Believe it or not the main reason you got into this stuff is to have a healthier, stronger body, not to play with something that could maim or kill you. Please listen to me, I know what I'm talking about. Take care in using gear and you will be fine, mess with that shit and you defeat the purpose. You may not be the one to drop, but I promise that in the long run, you will be sorry. I was.Also, if you think there is fake shit out there in AS, you have no idea what the odds are of getting something even more poisonous than E itself. I hate to preach , Good Luck! IP: Logged |
Bush Pig Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 15) |
![]() ![]() ![]() Lexicon, lets be honest, you just don't have a clue. How can you say that E is insane? There are far more deaths and emergency room visits down to alcohol than to E. How many people do you know that fight on E - none. Also comparing such a popular drug to one used by a much smaller group is ignorant. Heroin - oh yeah, we all do that when we want to have a dance and a laugh. Beat it with your preachin� IP: Logged |
peety Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 55) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() All I know is that when I was in Germany on spring break, my friends and I each bought three beans (pills) from a dealer off the street. I DID NOT SLEEP FOR TWO DAYS. I swear it was laced with something. I'm not condoning or the use or saying that you shouldn't do it. If someone wants to its there own perogative. All I have to say is that I'm not doing it again, and that with any recreational drug you should be careful. Even weed can be laced with shit. I almost smoked a joint that was being passed around at a concert, but right before I hit it someone says "oh yeah thats laced with crack". just be careful whatever you do. IP: Logged |
lexicon Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 23) |
![]() ![]() ![]() Bush Pig, I hate to tell you, I am not the ignorant one. Yes, booze is just as bad and even worse as its legal. There is no way I would come out and say this shit if I was not 100% sure that what I'm saying is fact.If anyone wants to listen, great. If not, I hope you got a lot of luck on your side. Also, If you knew me, You would listen. I don't blame you for saying that I'm an idiot as I would have said the same thing 15 years ago. IP: Logged |
jpg44 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() i used to deal E. i know what happens to people on. a lot of my friends got into it real bad. you should not use it while on gear. i like drugs to, but not on juice. you are already doing enough to your body, why more. why do you think your not supposed to drink whlie on juice. also most E does contain heroin. you never know what exactly your getting. why take more risks then you need to. if you must do it be careful and follow some of the posts above. be safe IP: Logged |
SCHNiKEN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 133) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() NO E CONTAINS HEROIN.. WANT PROOF www.maps.org www.ecstasy.org IP: Logged |
foadman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 43) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() people don't "lace" drugs, it's a stupid myth. Drugs cost money and as far as I know, drug dealers aren't the most altruistic people in the world. In othr words, if you buy weed, E, or any other drug for that matter, they're not throwing in somthing extra that would cost them money. IP: Logged |
jpg44 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() SCKNiKEN the web site Ecstasy.org supported my point. on of the pages it talks about what should be in E and what could possible be in it. there are different types of E just like different types of weed. i personally know that some of the types have heroin in it. some don't i give you that. unless you get pure E which really is hard to find, you don't know what your getting. the site also listed a lot of other unwanted drugs that are found in Ecstasy. foadman, people do lace drugs. its all economics. heroin mixed with e is some strong shit. the dealer sees it like this: if you get hooked then you will want more and more. its all about profit. they don't care what happens to you. when you know people it isn't that expensive and the profits can be greater. also when they cut the drug, any drug, they use some nasty shit. but its your choice. all i am saying is that E is not the best drug to mix with as. otherwise, do it if you want. also when you do e and go dancing or whatever you can get dehydrated. if you get dehydrated it takes about 3 days to fully hydrate again. no matter how much you drink. thats 3 days you lost on your cycle. it can add up quick. IP: Logged |
SCHNiKEN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 133) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I agree with you that E may cause some loss in your gains from steroid use but i think that most of it comes from water loss from dancing that night and i also believe that if you drink a protien shake after that night you will have minimal if any loss.. just keep the nutrition going and drink plenty of water and i dont see a problem.. And as to the possibilty of E having heroin in it i know for a fact that is not true ill show you some good links showing my point.. check these out.. not trying to be a dick but it would not be profitable for a dealer to put heroin in the pills because the amount of heroin that would be needed to be orally effective would cost much more then the e-pill. Check out these links... heres one specifically on heroin http://www.ecstasy.org/info/heroin.html Other interesting sites: http://www.dancesafe.org/erumors.html AND heres one you guys will find really cool if you do alot of e bomb so you can see which ones are good b4 you buy them really phat site check it out you wont be disappointed: http://www.dancesafe.org/elabtest.html gotta run cuz im at work hope this helps to put an end to this e and heroin thing.. IP: Logged |
1 Mistake Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 71) |
![]() ![]() ![]() E is NEVER cut with H or coke.This is factual! Every E that cops bust must be tested in a DEA lab and NEVER has any came back with H or coke.E costs under .50 ea. to make and the amount of H or coke would be like 15-20 bucks to get an effect orally.No deaths are because of MDMA alone. MDMA is used in over 10 countries for depression,improve sexual relations and other related functions. I believe an od dose is something like 125 tabs at once for a 200lb. person at 125mg. per (can't remember which journal I read that in) As far as juice & E, as long as you drinks lots of water,use 5-HTP, and roll once in a while-you will be fine. Most club kids OD from GHB and alcohol-NOT E!!! Use primrose oil and milk thistle to help the liver and kidneys.If there is anything I know about its drugs and bio-chem. J IP: Logged |
lexicon Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 23) |
![]() ![]() ![]() Guys, Your right, there is no Heroin in "E" . As far as what else is in it, of course dealers would not cut it with $$$ stuff, they use cheap poisons. The real MDMA is bad enough as it plays with your spinal fluid and is capable of doing serious damage to your body. Of all the "E" seized, over 50% has no MDMA in it at all. I'm not going to go on about illicit narcotic stuff as this is not the place. But do realize that "E", real or fake can do huge amounts of damage to your life. I'm not trying to ruin anybodys fun, just didn't think it was right to leave it that it was something you could do without any worries. Fact is, you abuse anything it can be bad. But by taking that stuff you are taking a big chance with your life. Peace IP: Logged |
jpg44 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() this is what i like about this board, people expressing there opinions. i like this arguments. anyway back to e and heroin. the site you gave about e at ecstssy.org, was good. it almost changed my opinion. not!!hehe. that article was written in 1994. it has been a while. now some more facts, all e is cut with either speed, coke, or heroin. these drugs may or may not be present in the e when you take them. last, the one type of e that i know defenetly has heroin in it is called an H-BOMB. it makes you throwup but damn what a trip. many of my friends have taken it. i don't touch e. i don't want to mess with H. you might not have it where you live, but it is in AZ. IP: Logged |
SCHNiKEN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 133) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I agree.. it is definately not something without risk.. but hey just being on this board says alot about how some of these people risk their lives all the time.. IP: Logged |
jpg44 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() cool, your right, everyone here is taking a risk. that why we need to educate ourselves. good argument we had. till next time, peace. IP: Logged |
2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1130) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I was talking to one of my professor friends a few months ago and he mentioned that he does research MDMA using rats. All I have to say is that alcohol and cigarettes are much worse in the long run, but E is worse in the short term. If you have used more than 20 pills (and I am assuming it was pure MDMA) then you are definitely risking your health. I will not go into detail (mainly because it is much too depressing and not worth mentioning since it is not life threatening) but it can hurt some organ systems and you will only notice the damage later on. It is your choice and you should have fun while you do it. Just use it in moderation...and make sure you do not have sex on E. It will never be the same if you do. ------------------ IP: Logged |
SCHNiKEN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 133) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Thanx for the argument again.. but you still dont have me thinking that e has heroin because its tottaly illogical since bombs are sold for 20 to 25 dollars a piece. And since youve been a dealer i guess you know for a g-pack(1000) you can get them around 6 dollars a pill.. which also means the guy on top of that makes money.. so there is no possible way.. and also the comment about where i live they might not have E.. well i happen to have some bombs.. and ive seen alot of E in new york.. its everywhere and everyone has done it at least once.. i dont know how one could argue about e having heroin anymore but i guess im done.. i dont care.. sorry guys i no this aint what the boards for either.. IP: Logged |
GROWTH Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 22) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ARE YOU KIDDING, NO SEX ON E!!! DUDE, MY BEST SEX WAS ON E, I MEAN I LAST LIKE THE FUCKIN ENERGIZER BUNNY AND WHEN I BUST A LOAD, HOLY SHIT MAN, IT FEELS LIKE MY INSIDES ARE COMMING OUT OF MY DICK, I RECCOMMEND THAT YOU MUST TRY SEX AND E, ACTUALLY TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, FOREPLAY ON E FEELS BETTER THAN SEX, JUST MY OPINION FELLAS!!! AND TRUST ME, YOU HAVE TRY THIS ONCE IN YOUR LIFE, CONVINCE YOUR GIRL AND SHE'LL THANK YOU THE NEXT DAY WHEN SHE CAN'T WALK!! IP: Logged |
Blood4Blood Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 23) |
![]() ![]() ![]() I agree with 2thick. If you have sex on E (which is what practically everyone does) For the rest of your life sex is going to suck in comparison to the time(s) you had it on E. Think about that. Also, the one time I tried to take E, I got something else that made me puke my guts out. Also, I'd like to hear what Macro has to say about E, he has been silent everytime this comes up (at least once a week it seems) ------------------ IP: Logged |
Jay Z Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 64) |
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1 Mistake Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 71) |
![]() ![]() ![]() OK- Once and for all- E DOES NOT contain smack!!! TRUST ME I KNOW!! I just got out of jail because of it. (E) You might consider me an X-spert on the subject. I was(am) a big club promoter in my area. I've been in this scene for yrs. and I know my shit.People puke on E because the body can't handle the rush from the seretonin(sp?) release. There are some others dangerous chem. in there like DXM which really could screw you up.Before anyone says "I felt smacked out on a pill";thats because MDMA has about 20 different analogs that are easier to make in the US. MDEA,MDA,MDE...etc. These all make you feel something similiar to E,but also different at the same time. E DOES have serious side effects if abused,like,temporary neuron damage, memory loss,and slower reflexes.Lets just kill this subject! Now I'm getting depressed cause I'll have to go back in jail soon(If I lose at my trial) J IP: Logged |
foadman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 43) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Right on bro! IP: Logged |
pauly7 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 300) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Some of you are getting pretty worked up about this ridiculus drug. Do you really want to take something that was made by some dumbass who probably couldn't even pass high school chemistry? I am sure if you could get the pure stuff than it would be a little safer, but what are the chances of that. Is the high or rush you get from it really that good that you are willing to take such a foolish risk just to experience it? If you really feel that you need it that bad then there is something wrong in your head and you need to get help. Come on get real and grow up. IP: Logged |
1 Mistake Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 71) |
![]() ![]() ![]() Pauly7- Ouch!!! Do you think your gear was made in a real lab? 80% of the black market gear is fake or counterfeit and contain impurities.(or might contain) J BTW- MDMA is VERY hard to make and requires 2 control I drugs-not to mention a serious background in chemistry.No flame here.Just stating what i know to be true.A drug is a drug......... ![]() IP: Logged |
macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1249) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() E has its place, it can be a lot of fun when used in moderation. there are a lot of ways to minimize the potential damage that E "may" do to your brain. E should be used with extreme caution by people who have been diagnosed as depressed or know that they have low serotonin levels. the serotonin high resulting from the use of E can be very addictive to people with these conditions. mao-b inhibitors have been shown to reduce or eliminate the nueronal damage done by E- as has the use of SSRI immeadiatly after rolling. it has been hypothesized that the damage is caused by the by products of the breakdown of dopamine by mao-b- which is why reducing the levels of mao-b is a good thing- inhibitors of mao-b are used in the the treatment of senility and alzheimers as well as other degenerative brain conditions. I do not beleive that E will effect the results of your cycle if taken properly with the proper precautions- as well as taking into account the eating and drinking water issues- I personally think that drinking a carbohydrate drink while on E would be much more beneficial than water alone. However I think that rolling should be limited to once every three weeks or once a month at the most- otherwise it may effect the results of a cycle. I think that less frequent use makes rolling a better experience and is less likely to effect your motivation or results. ------------------ IP: Logged |
SCHNiKEN Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 133) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I totally agree with mac.. IP: Logged |
jackabooswiift Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 22) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() It sometimes contains amphetamine, something I'd like to stay away from. IP: Logged |
Chris0096 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 9) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() WARNING: E usually doesn't have any serious short term side effects as long as you know your getting a clean pill (i.e. other people have tried that particular pill and had a positive experience). From personal experience, the short term side effects which can last up to a couple of days are: supressed appetite, lack of energy and mood swings. But if you continue to use E weekend after weekend even with breaks you are likely to experience serious long term side effects. I know this because I'm in the club scene and live in miami, on the weekends it seems as if half the people are on E, and I have had my experiences and know many people using E constantly. The main ingredient in E is MDMA, this drug releases large amounts of dopamine and serotonin (neurotransmitters) in your brain making you feel energized and euphoric. The dopomine rush results in large amounts of energy (cocaine increases dopomine= a lot of energy), serotonin is responsible for that happy feeling. The problem is that when these neurotransmitters are release in large amount, the receptors in your brain get damaged, they become less receptive or non-functional. Eventually your brain will have low levels of these essential neurotransmitters. I know many people who have stop partying, then about 2 months later they become depressed or develop an anxiety problem due to their receptor damage. They eventually get put on prozac for their depression or anxiety(Prozac works by increase serotonin levels). However I'v know someone who has been partying on E for a year and he's fine. Bascially if your prone to depression, mood swings or anxiety stay away from E. Depression can be a genetic disease, but if you don't know if your prone to that(other family members or relatives have it), it sucks to find out the hard way. I know MDMA was used to treat depression in the past, but that was before the discovered it's side effects so don't think it so safe. If your going to use E, do it on special occasions and be responsible, you will probably have a great time, but DO NOT use it regularly. IP: Logged |
ItalianSweetness Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 148) |
![]() ![]() ![]() I have a big say on this issue since i use to do it all the time (stopped because i am a fanatic about my body now) I have taken over a hundred pills of 70 pills of in my life and i am 18. That's right, but i am not a cracked out kid.This was the only hardcore drug i ever tried. I was into the club scene all year in New York and u have to do it those places....but trust me IT'S NOT WORTH IT. A huge effect it had was on my MOTIVATION to go to the gym. U can't get motivated when u feel depressed about other issues in your life. I am not going to lie e is great. I mean really great, better than drinkin and pot combined. I have friends that do it every weekend and do u know i out way each one by at least 40 lbs. As far as taking it every now and then, like once a month is fine. Macro is right here. It IS NOT ADDICTING BECAUSE IT HAS NO HEROIN OR COKE! I knew this for 2 years now. Don't do it if u like your size but if u are going to then make a limit and stick with it. IP: Logged |
1 Mistake Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 71) |
![]() ![]() ![]() End of discussion!!! J IP: Logged |
silent trigger Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 22) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() maybe i am missing something here but most everyone on this board has the intentions of making their body the finest physical specimen they can. I cannot for the life of me understand why you would want to fill it full of a drug that may not hurt that process in the short term but the jury is still out on the long term possibilities of using recreational drugs. I am not claiming to know anything about E I just think that it is hypocrytical to build something to perfection and risk loosing it all just to catch a buz. do what you like and you will, I just think being high on endorphans is much safer and better for you. IP: Logged |
bad brains Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 388) |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Damn that shit is still around, have'nt rolled in years......kinda miss it sometimes..heh heh IP: Logged |
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