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 WHY DOES JUICE CAUSE WATER RETENTION?
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JUICESEEKER Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 75) |
posted April 17, 2000 03:38 PM
  
CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHY SOME STEROIDS LIKE D-BOL AND ANADROL CAUSE WATER RETENTION? I AM SURE SOMEBODY KNOWS THE ANSWER TO THIS IP: Logged |
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JUICESEEKER Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 75) |
posted April 17, 2000 04:23 PM
bump! can somebody please answer my question, i thought this was the most knowlegeble board? IP: Logged |
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susthead Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 84) |
posted April 17, 2000 05:07 PM
simple m8 they increase estrogen and this makes males hold water thats why aint estrogens combat water retention highly androgenic gear like test,anadrol,dbol IP: Logged |
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dude Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 188) |
posted April 17, 2000 06:08 PM
They increase estrogen because your body is trying to downregulate its own testosterone and turn the extra into estrogen. This causes water retention and fat. IP: Logged |
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cockdezl Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted April 17, 2000 10:11 PM
Both androgens and estrogens increase the absorption of minerals, such as Ca, Mg, Zn, Na, K, N, etc. Since the hormones increase many metabolic pathways, an increase in minerals are necessary as cofactors. The increase in mineral retention causes an increase in H2O retention. I am not sure why some steroids cause more water retention than others; aromatization may be a key factor, but this is not necessary, since Anadrol causes water retention and it does not aromatize. IP: Logged |
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aahthit Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 21) |
posted April 17, 2000 11:59 PM
Maybe I was mistaken, but I thought that anadrol DID aromatize? That was why it has a high propensity to cause gyno in some people. Any Mod's have answer to that one? IP: Logged |
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kosfer Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 107) |
posted April 18, 2000 09:29 AM
Anadrol DOES aromatizes big time! It has very high anabolic quantities which is the primary reason for water retention and gyno. IP: Logged |
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zook Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 5) |
posted April 18, 2000 11:58 AM
What would be the best product to get rid of water bloat without comprimising too much of the effectiveness of a cycle? ZOOK IP: Logged |
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susthead Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 84) |
posted April 18, 2000 12:20 PM
i think colmid and tamoxifen 50 mg clomid morning 20mg tamoxifen at night ... IP: Logged |
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cockdezl Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted April 18, 2000 02:01 PM
Anadrol does NOT aromatize, since it is a DHT derived steroid, such as Winstrol. The best guess as to why Anadrol causes gyno is that it may have intrinsic progestagenic activity, as Deca does, or maybe a metabolite of oxymetholone is progestagenic. Likewise, nandrolones can aromatize but it does so at low amounts. This is shown by the fact that estrogen levels decrease when using nandrolones only. Deca may cause water retention through its progestagenic activity. Nolvadex does not prevent gyno from either of these steroids, showing non-estrogen related effects. IP: Logged |
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BigCatratcho Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 303) |
posted April 18, 2000 04:45 PM
Gotta question for you dudes that say Clomid will reduce water retention. Say you're taking 5 anabol/day with 500/750 sus a week. How much clomid? My evil twin is on a cycle similar to the one I described, taking clomid 50 mgs eod. And he's holding water (gained 10lbs in a week) opinions? IP: Logged |
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cockdezl Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted April 19, 2000 12:04 AM
As stated before, some of the water retention is due to aromatization to estrogen, but not all. Androgens cause electrolyte retention themselves, some more, some less. So not all water retention can be prevented by anti-estrogens. IP: Logged |
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Joseph_stalin Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 562) |
posted April 19, 2000 02:44 AM
according to a book it is due to this. steroids use up androgen receptors and the pathway to the liver. so there is excess cortisol in your body because it has nowhere to go and cannot be destroyed. it has nowhere to go because all the androgen receptors are full and cannot be destroyed because the liver is busy fighting the steroids. cortisol somehow affects salt & water levels in the body, causing a retention of water. that explains why dianabol & anadrol have such bad water retention. but if that were the only reason then 50 mg winstrol would cause water retention just as bad as 50 mg dianabol. and it doesn't. so i don't know. i don't know why 400 mg deca will cause less water retention than 400 mg testosterone. maybe the amount that a drug converts to estrogen or the amount of estrogen that the drug tricks your body into producing is at fault. since drugs that don't convert like winstrol, deca, & equipoise don't cause water retention. i don't know about deca though, i hear conflicting reports. but everyone is different. anadrol supposedly affects the progesterone levels in the body. so maybe it is just the estrogen level. IP: Logged |
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Joseph_stalin Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 562) |
posted April 19, 2000 02:50 AM
stop taking 50 mg every other day. clomid has a 5 day half-life, which means that in order to have a constant level in your body you have to take 16% of the amount you want in your body everyday. if you want 300 mg in your body, you have to take 300 mg on day 1 and 50 mg every day after that. take 300 mg tomorrow, and 50 mg a day after that. if that is too much for you, take 150 mg tomorrow, and 25 mg a day after that. see if that helps any. IP: Logged |
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cockdezl Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted April 19, 2000 01:42 PM
The idea that steriods decrease cortisol metabolism and therefore reduce their excretion is not supported by the research. Few steroids have actually been shown to have anti-glucocorticoid activity, i.e. methyltrienolone. The fluid retention is not caused by corticoid processes but by androgenic and estrogenic activity, which both cause electrolyte retention. Kinson GA, Lubek BM. Bijlsma JW, Duursma SA, Thijssen JH, Huber O. Isaacson WK, Jones SJ, Krueger RJ. Related Articles IP: Logged |
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