posted April 16, 2000 02:23 AM         

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Thinking about trying the post i saw for the newbie test/dbol stack. Wondering though if at 6'4 295 18-19% body fat what will that do for me exactly. Looking to put on some musle mass as well as loose some fat maybe weigh 310 by fall. Play div 1 ball and heard this gets out of system fairly quick, besides been tested once in 3 yrs so theres good odds anyway. Already a big guy so dont want to get disgusting (seen it) want quality mass and strenght gains. Thanks to all who reply,

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posted April 16, 2000 02:34 AM            

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dball is good but won't help with the fat

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posted April 16, 2000 02:39 AM         

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That sounds pretty good to me. Just stay away from deca and eq. That shit stays in your system for up to 18 months. Ask the vets on the board how long it takes for test to clear the system. The dbol is a good choice. Take clomid during the cycle, 25-50mg every other day, and 3 weeks after the cycle every day (ask a vet about the dosage after the cycle).

Don't forget to work on your footwork. Scouts will judge you on your feet just as much as your size and strength.

good luck

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posted April 16, 2000 11:04 AM            

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My only suggestion is to not quit running, and doing foot drills. Last year I put on about 35lbs in the off-season and I didn't run too much. I went into spring ball slow as shit. But, if your in a good program they won't let that happen.
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posted April 16, 2000 11:11 AM            

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You shouldn't have any problems as long as you stay away from deca. D-bol doesn't stay in the system very long so you have nothing to worry about.

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posted April 16, 2000 11:20 AM            

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I am also a div 1 athlete and go about 6'5" 310. I think it's really not a good idea for test and dball. I find I get way too bloated and slow. My strength shoots through the roof but thats not the important thing. Try using just the test at about 700mgs a wk.

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posted April 16, 2000 06:42 PM         

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Thanks for the responses maybe just the test would be good, im worried about the bloating dbol does.. will test alone do me good since im alreasy at a fairly good level to start off with.. also dont plan on ignoring the running, its gonna be a all summer event. So test 8 weeks ??

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posted April 16, 2000 07:17 PM            

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i also play ball and i will be starting my first cycle in a few weeks. i was planing to do 8 weeks with some sus250. whould it also be good to add some primo to the cycle. how long does it last in your system. with all the lifting and running we do, how mush of a gain should i expect.

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posted April 16, 2000 08:35 PM            

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I hear yall, I am in the same situation. After researching for about a month or so, I found that the stuff you need to take in order for it to be out of your system by the time you report to camp test. If you have a choice, get Test. Propionate. Try to stay away from the Test. Enthan. or especially the Sust. The test. Enthan will be in your system for about 2 months, and the Sust maybe longer than that. For some good info on times you can go to http://www.carvagen.com/ghok.htm --It is on the bottom of the page, just scroll down.

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posted April 16, 2000 09:35 PM         

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studcj- i didn't know high school football has a spring ball

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posted April 16, 2000 09:48 PM            

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Some of them do, but I dont think the ones in Colorado do. I am curious, please respond studcj.

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posted April 16, 2000 10:18 PM            

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We have a spring camp....no pads ,it's two weeks. I went in slow as shit. That was last year. No spring camp for me this year though.

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posted April 17, 2000 11:17 AM            

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bump this!!!! i want to see what all the ballers have to say about their cycles now that spring ball is almost over.

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posted April 17, 2000 03:10 PM         

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Play pac 10 here, .. so i should be fine with test alone maybe jumpstart couple days with dbol but test throughout.

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posted April 17, 2000 03:38 PM            

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Hey athlete21m,
how much test will you be using, and what kind. how long are you doing to cycle? how long before practice in the fall starts will you be off. if you play in the pac-10 i might see you someday. i want to make sure i'm at the same level. hehehe!!!

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posted April 17, 2000 04:25 PM         

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Go for it, bro. Start soon just in case you're tested. Do cardio in the mornings before you eat so you're burning fat instead of carbs that you've just eaten. I'd recommend doing high speed interval running. It takes a few weeks to get into it full swing, but once you are it works as a cardio workout and your speed will go through the roof unless you're already a star track athlete -- which probably isn't the case at 295 lbs. Good luck.

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posted April 17, 2000 04:53 PM            

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i am also a div 1 baseball player and have taken 2 cycles already and havent got tested positive yet. Like athlete21m said getting tested can sometimes be very few and far between besides mostly football players are a concern with roids due to the complete strength size ans speed you have to have to compete, whereas us bball players are not known to need huge size and strength. I think you shoulod be ok especially with the dbol i have taken a cycle before and have gotten great gains from it and i took it right after spring ball as well so that my off season hard work looked like i was taking it seriously and paying off well. JUst be sure to hit the gym regulary and hard like always so that people dont start getting ideas. It worked for me and GOOD LUCK to you!!!!!!!

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posted April 17, 2000 05:14 PM            

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Hey, I've done a ton of research and I'm going with the prop/d-ball approach. Sos scares me because of the test-decanate (or something like that). E2 said that even prop would be pushing the limits of detectability and everything I read says sos stays 3 months compared to prop that stays 2-3 weeks. It's my senior season so I don't want to take a chance. GOOD LUCK, let's all improve till draft day 2001.

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posted April 17, 2000 07:26 PM            

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Mother F*ind Bump!

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posted April 17, 2000 08:02 PM         

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posted April 17, 2000 08:40 PM            

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any one reading this post should also read the college ballers post. its pretty much the same info. all of the college ballers past and present should stick together and help each other out. only we no what we have to do to make. not saying that other people don't, but they haven't been through the hell we have. while we lift as hard as anyone, we have others factors, such as all that damn running! but if football was easy everyone would do it. god i love this sport.

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posted April 17, 2000 08:47 PM            

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I am right with you jpg44. If it was easy everyone would do it. It is the hard work and the discipline over others that I like. It is the hard shit put together that makes it bad ass.

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posted April 17, 2000 09:13 PM         

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its great to hear all you guys thinking together we will learn a crap load more together than alone

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posted April 17, 2000 09:52 PM            

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bump....lets keep this one at the top for awhile

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posted April 17, 2000 11:01 PM            

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bump!!!!

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posted April 17, 2000 11:33 PM         

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Stay clear of enanthates and long lasting esters for they will defintely show up in testing. Three of my best friends are here at ACC school ballin and I hooked them up with some Winny, Equipoise and some Enanthate in the off season. Try to get some propionate for the season. They will inform you two weeks ahead of time when the NCAA's are coming up!!

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posted April 17, 2000 11:53 PM            

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the ncaa dosen't tell you two weeks in advance.i just got tested a month ago. the team doctor called me into his office and told me to be there at 6 the next morning. i was clean so it didn't bother me. they test very early in the morning. they ask you not to overhydrate the night before. if your piss is to watered down they while ask you to piss again. they do a few tests on the spot just to check for ph and specific gravity. the test i took was for nonchampionship athletes. they tested for anabolic agents, diuretics, peptide hormones, and urine manipulators. hope this helps someone

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posted April 18, 2000 12:32 AM            

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Yeah I hear what you are saying, I havent gotten to college, but in asking around, my school next year told me that they tell starters two weeks in advance about testing, and for freshmen and what not, they tell them a couple days in advance, but that is just my school, and that is just from one dude. Hope that helps.

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posted April 18, 2000 12:39 AM            

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i was starting at my school. we are D1-AA. just be careful. they usually test everyone on the same day, at around the same time. if you can just juice over the summer and remain clean while in school that would be good. otherwise keep your fingers crossed. good luck.

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posted April 18, 2000 02:35 PM            

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bump!!!

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posted April 18, 2000 03:27 PM            

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posted April 18, 2000 08:46 PM            

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posted April 18, 2000 10:01 PM         

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looks to me like starters at big d-1 schools get a better time to get anything out of the system for us its a day in advance

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posted April 18, 2000 10:14 PM            

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your probably right. they bring in so much money. your hardly ever here about big time players on juice. you think everyone in the draft was clean. yeah right.

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posted April 19, 2000 11:42 AM         

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posted April 19, 2000 03:46 PM         

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Hey looks like i started something ineteresting. So is cypionate shitty or what thats what i was gonna get but i see that its counterfited like a mother..Ill look into prop. As far as testing here it was a one day thing wake ur as up at 6 suprised they didnt watch me actually into the cup, but back was to them, was thinking of ways to fuck that test but ncaa has it all fixed up ahh fuck em anyway, me ill be a jr. some of the guys i have seen play college ball have been unreal no way they were clean (UW) back in the day, so i am now saying fuck it i can use that edge too good luck all..

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posted April 19, 2000 04:03 PM            

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hey athlete21m whats up. i'm in the same boat as you. i going to do my first cycle but with what? from what i have read prop is highlt anabolic and androgenic and it aromatizes easly. it only lasts in your system for about 5 days. the bad part is that it causes pain at the injection site and you have to shoot more often. does anyone have a good cycle for football that is effective and dosen't last in your system for a long time?

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