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 17AA dont understand are there neg. sides?
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100mph Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 202) |
posted April 13, 2000 12:30 AM
  
I recently read a post. It read that they dont take winnie no more than 4 weeks due to the 17AA. I dont understand what the 17AA is and wondered what the negative effects of the 17AA are?? HARDWORK-100MPH IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 515) |
posted April 13, 2000 12:37 AM
17AA means 17 alkylated. Without being a chemist (because I'm not) that means that an alkyle group (a carbon and hydrogen molecule, basically) was attached to the original molecule at the 17th carbon atom. This alkyle group was added to slow the breakdown of the drug (winny in this case), so that patients could receive fewer doses. However, "slow the breakdown" means more passes through the liver, hence more stress on your liver. This is the reason for the shorter duration use. Hope that helps. Matt IP: Logged |
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G Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 101) |
posted April 13, 2000 01:22 AM
There most likely talking about the tabs, not the injection IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1226) |
posted April 13, 2000 01:29 AM
once again G opens his mouth an ignorance pours forth. Matt is right on track 17aa androgens pass through the liver many times- toxicity varies considerably from individual to individual- most likely related to the p450 enzyme ratios/abundance- however could be related to effectiveness of secondary liver systems- the point is for some people winstrol is not very liver toxic and for others your looking at jaundice within a couple of weeks- it really varies quite a bit- but if your liver is healthy and not to stressed you should have no problems with any of the 17aa androgens in moderation. BTW- G could you tell us about austrailian gear, we miss your "humble" pronouncements. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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G Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 101) |
posted April 13, 2000 01:32 AM
Hey buddy I can't give a fuck what you say, because we have the 500ml bladders of propionate out her in australia so fuck off IP: Logged |
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Joseph_stalin Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 499) |
posted April 13, 2000 01:53 AM
you might get low blood sugar due to the steroid using up your livers capacity to break down other chemicals in the body. if you notice symptoms of hypoglycemia you have low blood sugar. 17aa cause this more than the others do. also, 17aa might make your skin and eyes yellow due to bile buildup. the liver cannot break down the excess bile in your body and the bile builds up, giving you a yellowish tint. also you might have trouble developing blood clots. the liver is necessary to produce something to clot blood. i forget what. anyway, you might get nosebleeds and find that the bottom of your tounge is bleeding. so basically 17aa can cause an increase in bile, a weaking of your bodies ability to clot blood, and hypoglycemia. IP: Logged |
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100mph Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 202) |
posted April 13, 2000 03:38 AM
joseph-stalin, So how can I avoid these sides such as low blood sugar and jaundice?? THANKS IP: Logged |
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Joseph_stalin Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 499) |
posted April 13, 2000 04:53 AM
milk thistle might help with jaundice. also switching from an oral/injectible steroid to an injectible only steroid halfway through a cycle. example, in an 8 week cycle of testoserone & dianabol use dianabol for the first 4 weeks & deca for the next 4. i don't know what to do about low blood sugar. it is a bad idea to diet while on 17aa steroids if you are prone to hypoglycemia. so i wouldn't diet while using them. IP: Logged |
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Splapps23 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 35) |
posted April 13, 2000 04:57 AM
Milk thistle is an herb which can of great benefit to your liver and should be used (in my opinion) whenever one uses steroids which are 17 alkylated. During a heavy cycle using 17 alkylated compounds I had blood work done in order to determine my test, fsh, and lh levels, cholesterol, liver enzymes...etc. My liver levels where elevated and the nurse asked if I drank often...point is that after using milk thistle and having lab work done agian while using gear, the levels were within the "normal" range. Low blood sugar? i dont know, eat some fruit or something. Maybe sometype of insulin mimicker would be helpful? Hope this helps ya out 100mph IP: Logged |
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Vlad67 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 95) |
posted April 13, 2000 10:06 AM
.....dont mean to start anything G but i think you are the only person that doesent " give a fuck" about what macro says .. there is probably more knowledge on this board from macro and the other monitors than in any medical college in the world..on this board I learned more in 4 months than i did hanging out in gyms in 15 years.....If you do have advice you have to at least try to back it up with some facts if you wan tpeople to take you seriously ...keep up the good work macro... VK
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Milk_Man Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 19) |
posted April 13, 2000 10:40 AM
Sorry pal but please dont compare a medical college lib to what has been posted on this board. If you belive what you said you have a lot to learn. IP: Logged |
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Vlad67 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 95) |
posted April 13, 2000 01:12 PM
... i guess i should have specified as it relates to anabolic steroids, weight training, and effects on the human body... i dont think any medical facility would allow the types of freeform dosage and combination research that we have applied to ourselves..... i dont know maybe rats can get deca dick..... I just have to remember not to post till my ephedrine wears off..... VK IP: Logged |
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100mph Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 202) |
posted April 13, 2000 02:01 PM
JOSEPH-STALIN, WHAT IS THE CORRECT DOSAGE FOR THE MILK THISTLE. I WILL BE USING THE INJECTABLE STANOZOLIC. DO YOU KNOW IF IT THE STANAZOLIC WILL MESS WITH TENDONS AND LIGAMENTS (SHOULDER SURGERY 10 WEEKS AGO). THANKS BRO!! HARDWORK-100MPH IP: Logged |
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LittleSavage34 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 215) |
posted April 13, 2000 02:29 PM
G, listen up...don't burn bridges freely. Macro has contributed a lot of useful knowledge to this board, and I hold a great deal of respect for him, as well as for all the mods. I agree that most Colleges and U's would not provide two sided information. I've talked with some athletic trainers here on campus, and they shudder at the word "steroid." They fail to mention benefits of gear, and focus on the negative effects. Most like to make things up in the process. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Marauder Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 246) |
posted April 13, 2000 02:43 PM
Macro, YOU are so fuckin funny!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Joseph_stalin Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 499) |
posted April 13, 2000 04:22 PM
i don't know what the doses are. i think that you should use glucosamine for your tendons. IP: Logged |
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1 Mistake Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 61) |
posted April 13, 2000 05:04 PM
Boys will be boys!! The reason for the 17aa is without the extra molecule the stomach would desrtoy almost all the active drug. This makes is VERY hard on your liver over long periods of time. Primrose oil works great for your liver!! J IP: Logged |
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