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gary Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 189) |
posted April 12, 2000 06:31 PM
  
Customs just called me on the phone and told me they had my packages from overseas! I told them that I was not expecting anything from overseas and it must be some kind of mistake. They said ok and that was pretty much it. What the hell! I have never heard of customs calling on the phone! Has anyone else? What the hell do you guys think of this? IP: Logged |
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LEVIATHON Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 38) |
posted April 12, 2000 06:32 PM
How big was your order? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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beerbarbq Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 210) |
posted April 12, 2000 06:32 PM
Did you have something coming from overseas? If not one of your friends was probably playing a joke on you, I have never heard of customs calling ever. IP: Logged |
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gary Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 189) |
posted April 12, 2000 06:36 PM
About 30 amps of sust and 300 tabs of dbol. IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1111) |
posted April 12, 2000 06:37 PM
Customs does call and it usually means that it is a warning. The only time that customs calls is when more than one package gets seized. This leads them to believe that you may be a dealer. I have a family member, who works for customs, so I should know. I would lay low and not order from that address. It is tagged and so is your name for the next 6-months. Jon IP: Logged |
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Mr H Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 176) |
posted April 12, 2000 06:38 PM
Well, if Customs goes that route no more suppliers will have to send out another order after you send them the customs letter. The goverment may suck, but they aren't stupid. IP: Logged |
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LEVIATHON Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 38) |
posted April 12, 2000 06:39 PM
Thats not big enough for DEA to get involved, i say take it as a loss, they cant touch you if you said it wasn't yours (unless your name is on the package, that would be stupid). Sometimes suppliers will re-ship it to you if you give them the customs letter ------------------ IP: Logged |
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gary Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 189) |
posted April 12, 2000 06:40 PM
Is there any need to clean out my house? I was planning on starting a cycle next week. IP: Logged |
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LEVIATHON Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 38) |
posted April 12, 2000 06:43 PM
If its not your name on the package, they wont come to your house (please say its not). you might want to get a safe to put it in, they cant search a locked box w/o a warrant, thatll buy you some time to throw it out if you have to. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Sittin' On Diesel Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 261) |
posted April 12, 2000 07:01 PM
His name probly is on it.. how else would they phone him? Yeah dude, your shit is probably seized. I would play it safe and cover your tracks. IP: Logged |
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studcj Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 569) |
posted April 12, 2000 07:12 PM
30 amps? 300 tabs? OUCH! Sorry to hear it, but i think we're all gonna get bit in the ass at least once while we're in the game. That sucks ------------------ IP: Logged |
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gary Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 189) |
posted April 12, 2000 07:17 PM
Fuck yeah it sucks! I'm not exactly Ted fucking Turner! Anyhow, are these fuckers coming to my house or what? I want to start a cycle to help me forget this bullshit. IP: Logged |
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jettstream Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 200) |
posted April 12, 2000 07:27 PM
QUESTION if you get flagged from customs..and you're name is on a list somewhere for 6 months would it be safe to turn domestic? or stop all orders!? send to freinds house..or to p.o. box? just asking opinions...or real life cases IP: Logged |
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The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 611) |
posted April 12, 2000 07:30 PM
Bro! This is serious shit!! I've been in and out of this game for 18 years, and the only time I've ever heard of this happening was to a Bro of mine 5 years ago. He got a call and blew it off...along with his gear. Three days later a fed showed up at his workplace....searched his locker, and arrested him under suspicion of dealing!! They placed him in cuffs and went to his apartment, with a search warrant and found some other gear he'd been saving......150 dbol.......6 amps of cyp.......couple of vials of deca......blasted him on the spot!!!!!! He had a couple different kinds of roids, and apparently that made a difference....and yes, the package that was seized had his name on it....that was proof enough!! He spent 7 days in jail...lost his job......but....a good lawyer got him off on 3 years probation, plus some fines and shit. He's basically fucked right now....and it is on his record.....I'd check with 2Thick a little more....he may be able to help a bit.....MAN...I wish you the best of luck Bro! Might want to check with an attorney...discreetly!! Ranger IP: Logged |
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jettstream Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 200) |
posted April 12, 2000 07:42 PM
say you have a safety deposit box at the bank, could you store gear there? IP: Logged |
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Slim Whitman Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 82) |
posted April 12, 2000 07:51 PM
Banks are federal buildings, so if they can get a warrant to search your house, they could do the same with the safety deposit box. But I'm just speculating, there are others here with more experience than me!! But I'm about as paranoid as they come. If it were me, I'd find a buddy willing to hold onto anything illegal, and probably your computer too!!! Better to be safe than sorry. Slim IP: Logged |
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gary Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 189) |
posted April 12, 2000 09:21 PM
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T-BONE Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 23) |
posted April 12, 2000 09:50 PM
I've been busted before, and the narcotics agents that got me never called to warn me. I kind of wish they would have though. My situation was different though, I wasn't on the buying end. If they called you, it was probably just to scare the shit out of you to try and make sure you don't do it again. If they really wanted you, they wouldn't warn you, they'd just show up. Just to be safe, I'd clear the house out. I don't think they'll bother you anymore, but better safe then sorry. Good luck!!! IP: Logged |
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Chris Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 45) |
posted April 12, 2000 09:58 PM
My 2 cents.... I agree why not take the gear to a bro's house. Just to be safe, don't speed driving it their. IP: Logged |
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komododragon Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 64) |
posted April 12, 2000 10:01 PM
Hey Leviathan, you are very wrong about the safe being off limits without a warrant. First, if police are in your house conducting search its going to be pursuant to a warrant that already been issued, if thats the case then they can take the safe with them to station if you refuse to open it for them. Second, if they are in youre house without a warrant it means you consented to their entry. Then once a police officer is in your house if he or she sees contrband, your whole house can be searched without a warrant. Moral of story don't leave reefers, bindles, needles, mirrors on the coffee table with razon blades, lying about for anyone to see. IP: Logged |
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DoctorSavage Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 154) |
posted April 12, 2000 10:04 PM
definitely ditch the stuff. a cycle or two's worth of gear is not worth the hassle. IP: Logged |
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Primo57 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 450) |
posted April 12, 2000 11:08 PM
Definitely count it as a loss - if you have to get on a cycle pay the inflated cost at your gym...store your gear elsewhere! BTW: Are you bros sure your name only gets tagged for 6 months. IP: Logged |
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gary Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 189) |
posted April 12, 2000 11:16 PM
I'm taking my gear to my bro's house. How long do you think it would take for feds to show up if they do? IP: Logged |
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transparent Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 56) |
posted April 12, 2000 11:44 PM
I would have to disagree with what some of the people have posted. First thing you want to do is, ask youself how would they get your Phone Number? Second If the police are going to bust you they will not call you and tell you. The reason customs writes a letter is because that is a legal document. If customs were to confiscate your package they have to legally inform you that they have a package in your name. This has to be by a written letter. However in some states a phone conversation can be legally binding. But they must verify that the person they are on the phone with is really who they say they are. This will be done by verifying certain information only yourself would know. (Social Security #, Birth date, Mothers maiden Name, Etc.) Remember not everything coming into America is illegal. And customs will be liable for any goods that do not arrive to the addressee location if it is confiscated. Therefore they will send a letter to notify you of the situation. Unless you know the source my guess would be your source made the phone call to pull a fast one. Just my thought I could be wrong. IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1111) |
posted April 13, 2000 12:54 AM
Transparent, As I have stated before, I have a relative in customs and they DO call people. They are doing it more often because of the increase of AS importation. I would assume that they just wanted to talk to Gary about the package and not tell him that he is a drug lord and he was being busted (over the phone). I know that customs is very concerned about the increasing amount of prescription medicine (such as gear) that is being illegally shipped into the country. They are being more and more vigilant. This situation is very similar to what customs did for cocaine back in the 80s. If you read the posts you would know that all of his information was on the package, so a simple government background check would find his phone number. Jon IP: Logged |
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G Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 101) |
posted April 13, 2000 01:00 AM
Yeah be really careful, there just trying to bust your ass!!!! Play dumb all the time when they call G IP: Logged |
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gary Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 189) |
posted April 13, 2000 09:34 AM
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Villan Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 184) |
posted April 13, 2000 09:56 AM
Customs calls people ALL THE TIME. I know a guy that ordered 3 grand worth of X from Germany and Customs called him. They give you a choice of accepting the package or have it destroyed. Obviously, you want it destroyed or you'll go away for awhile. The point is, he put an alias on the package, but his address was the same. He did not put no phone number. Customs can easily enter an address and get a phone number through SW Bell very easily. Even if you are unlisted. Customs will always give you a warning, whether it's by phone or by mail. The next time something is sent your house after you've been flagged and you order to the same address, then I'd start to worry. But for now, they won't come to your house man. Just don't send anything to that address anymore. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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conan69 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 484) |
posted April 13, 2000 09:58 AM
i have had a lot of packages seized in the past but i have never had a phone call i would watch your ass. make sure you right out your next cycle so if they do bust you, you can say it is all for personal use ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Cleaner Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 47) |
posted April 13, 2000 10:13 AM
This would be my advice - and what I would do! Call an attorney in your area - give him the low down. He's your attorney and has to act in your best intersets. He can not rat you out - it would be his lincense to practice. Two - laws from area to area / state to state are different. Also customs has thier own crap. He can advise you where you are on the fence. And finally if anything does blow up he aleady in the mix and can come bail your ass out. If he thinks its bad enough you might want to set up funds he can get to for you. I get alot of shit where I work at because so many friends of mine are attorneys. I learned alot time ago that it pays to know good ones. They are people that work in the system - i.e. have friends that judges and shit. And this entire world operates off of favors. It has saved my ass more than once. IP: Logged |
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chestyII Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 517) |
posted April 13, 2000 10:27 AM
First, what I would do is make sure nothing illegal is in my house. Do not break any traffic laws while removing it. Search warrants are for specific locations. Although, if something illegal is found they can look elswhere for the "fruits" of the crime. Customs/cops/whomever, will use the phone, mail, survellance or whatever to accomplish their goals. Admit nothing ever. If read Miranda, tell them I no talkie without my lawyer. MOST IMPORTANT: DO NOT HAVE ANY GEAR AT YOUR HOUSE ON ON YOUR PROPERTY. DO NOT HAVE IT IN YOUR CAR OR ON YOU, REMEMBER, PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY. chesty ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Blood4Blood Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 6) |
posted April 13, 2000 11:53 AM
Just a thought.... Anyone seen 8mm? 'member when Nick Cage called the bad guy to get him to squirm and do something stupid? Maybe they called you JUST to get you to do something they can use against you? Like taking the gear to your bro's house so they can ruin two lives instead of one? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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XXXL Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 129) |
posted April 13, 2000 12:48 PM
one thing about warrants, they have to be very specific. they can't just say we are looking for anything illeagal in you house. if it says they are searching for AS and find coke or something. it's not allowed. they would need to phone a judge and have another warrent sent over to make it a leagle seizure. secondly, if that happens, any half ass attorney could beat it. one other thing the warrent needs to be very specific is what they search. athough they have reworded most of them today, i've had two differnt friends beat the fed's in court when the warrant said they could search the house and (in one such case) they found a bunch of shit in his garage that was unattached to the house. both times the judge threw it out. to search a safty deposite box, they need another warrant too. but if they take the time to get one, they'll most likely get all they need. i spread mine out to places that arn't related to my name. this way they would have to invest huge amounts of man hours, over time, money, resources to bust me in any way and i'm just too small on the food chain to spend that kind of money. just think about things and you'll save yourself lots of grief. IP: Logged |
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BiffBoom Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 124) |
posted April 13, 2000 02:35 PM
gary...I wouldn't worry about the lawyer bit..my girlfriend is a lawyer and told me that you can not be picked up for having illegal drugs confiscated by Customs. Legally, you have to be in possession of those packages. Sounds like you've been flagged and lost some cash. Hide your gear somewhere else..and don't worry about it...because legally..you never were in possession IP: Logged |
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Stickman99 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 44) |
posted April 13, 2000 02:36 PM
SEARCH WARRANT, in criminal law, order of a court, usually of a magistrate, issued to an officer of the law authorizing a search of the premises named in the warrant for stolen articles, property possessed in violation of the law, or the instruments or evidence of a crime. The warrant authorizes the officer to seize particularly described items and to bring them before the court that issued the warrant. In common law, search warrants were used mainly to discover stolen property; by modern law, their use has been extended to include items such as intoxicating liquors, gambling implements, counterfeiters' tools, burglars' tools, smuggled goods, obscene literature, narcotics, illegal firearms, and generally, any article the possession of which is a crime or which may be used in evidence. Under the 4th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution a search warrant can be issued only on oath of a complainant showing probable cause for its issuance. The warrant must specify definitely the place in which the search is to be made and the property to be seized. An officer who, in executing the warrant, does not comply with or exceeds its terms is liable civilly for all acts not authorized by it; an action to recover damages may be instituted against the officer for trespass or assault, or both. In addition, items seized under an illegally issued or executed warrant may not be used in evidence in a criminal trial. *Dont get too paranoid! If they wanted to bust you they would have had a fed deliver the package....You can hide your gear at home in places they couldnt find like in the attic underneath the insullation or where ever you find. I wouldnt ride around with it in my car just to be on the safe side. Just hide it and relax!!!!! IP: Logged |
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komododragon Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 64) |
posted April 14, 2000 06:53 AM
Ok yep, the search warrant has to be specific about the time and the place. But be realisitic. Once in your house, cops can go just about anywhere they want. Sure, maybe some of the evidence might be a fruit of the poisonous tree, but com'on, how many of us can afford a decent defence counsel to argue that point, and second not all judges are gonna seriously entertain that agruement, when "they know that boy was guitly and I ain't gonna let 'em off onna technicality". My point, there's the "Law", and then there's the reality of small town law enforcement. IP: Logged |
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the truth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 372) |
posted April 14, 2000 07:16 AM
A few legal points that are relevant to the above posts: 1. Attorney/client privilege does not extend to information pertaining to the ongoing commission of a crime. This probably wouldn't apply here, unless you're being investigated for conspiracy, but it's something to keep in mind if you ever get into trouble. 2. If your property is searched legally, and the warrant specifies that the police are looking for firearms and they find narcotics, for example, the narcotics are NOT "poisonous fruit"; they are "evidence". 3. Banks are private property, not federal property, and a warrant would be required to search a safe deposit box. If an investigation has progressed to the point where some agency wants to do that, they can probably obtain a warrant with no problem. 4. Warrants do have to be reasonably specific. They usually are. In any event, I don't think the feds are coming to your house for this, nor is it likely that any law enforcement agency would be able to obtain a warrant based on packages that are seized by Customs. Be safe. IP: Logged |
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gary Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 189) |
posted April 14, 2000 10:11 AM
Thanks for all the help guys! I'm not happy about it by any stretch of the imagination, but I am excited to start a cycle in a couple weeks. P.S. Please read my "second string" cycle post and tell me what you think. IP: Logged |
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