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snapdragon
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posted April 12, 2000 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for snapdragon   Click Here to Email snapdragon     Edit/Delete Message
I've searched the databases here and at some other sites but I can't seem to get a "straight" answer. Is proviron (mesterolone) an anti-estrogen, an anabolic, or both (it seems like both). What is the best use of this substance. Specifically would this be useful during cycle, or post cycle with clomid and or nolvadex.

Thanks

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Dutch
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posted April 12, 2000 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dutch     Edit/Delete Message
This should answer most of your questions..
Happy reading

Dutch

Proviron:

Proviron, or mesterolone, is a popular antiestrogen used by bodybuilders. It acts as an antiaromatase, which means it prevents the aromatization of steroids into estrogen. Proviron is frequently used by athletes on heavy cycles of steroids to prevent gynecomastia. It is also favored by competitive bodybuilders since a lower estrogen level corresponds with increased muscle hardness and lower water retention.One or two 25 mg per day should be sufficient to prevent gynecomastia. Proviron can also be combined with Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) if needed. Side effects are extremely rare with dosages under 100 mg per day. One major problem with Proviron is that it tends to reduce the gains made from a cycle. This is due to the fact that Proviron is an androgen and therefore binds to androgen receptor sites within the body. With Proviron binding to androgen receptor sites, the other steroids present in the body (androgens) are blocked out and unable to take effect. Consequently, many athletes prefer to keep the intake of Proviron at its minimum effective dosage in order to make sufficient gains while still preventing gynecomastia. Proviron is usually fairly easy to obtain on the black market. Most versions are manufactured by Schering and cost about $1-$2 per 25 mg tab. Proviron can come in push-through strips or small glass vials. There is currently no need to worry about authenticity when buying Proviron since no counterfeits of this product are known exist.

Proviron: (mesterolone) 25 mg/tab 50 tab/bottle

This is an oral androgenic steroid which is commonly used as an estrogen antagonist. Once the drug is in the blood, it competes with estrogen receptor sites, in some cases this results in an end to aromatising effects of other steroids. Proviron itself will not aromatise and it is moderately toxic to the liver. Some women take the drug to enhance their androgen levels, giving them much harder looking muscles. Usually they stack Proviron with the other drugs they might be using. Male bodybuilders also use it in a pre-contest stack to attain a harder look. Average dosages are two to four tablets a day for men, half that for women. It is rarely seen on the market, and costs about $40 for 50 tabs.

Proviron:

Description: Proviron comes in a box with 10 - 25mg tablets in a blister pack. Proviron is a synthetic androgenic steroid and oral antiestrogen used by bodybuilders. A lot of bodybuilders take this substance for two main reasons. They use it to restore sexual disfunctions caused by steroid cycling. It will help get rid of the lack of sexual desire that most bodybuilders experience during a long steroid cycle. It also will help with the decreased sperm count and quality that steroids exhibit on the body. It does not however increase testosterone production in the body. It is also used as an anti-estrogen as well. Proviron provides a dual blocking scheme in that it prevents the aromitization of steroids as well as competes with estrogen to block the receptors as well. The bad thing about Proviron is that it does not help in maintaining strength and muscle gains after a steroid cycle whereas HCG, Clomid, and Teslac do. This reason alone keeps some people from using this drug. It does however block gyno and the increased water retention that steroids give the user. It does allow increased muscle hardness since the estrogen levels will be low which is of great benefit for a precontest bodybuilder. As far as side effects are concerned, Provirons main one is that it gives males a continuous hard-on (bummer for their girlfriends) at higher doses.

Effective Dose: 50 -100 mgs. per day by taking one to two 25 mg tablets in the morning and one to two 25 mg tablets in the evening.

Street Price: It normally sells for between $1-2 per tablet on the street.

Stacking Info: This drug is commonly taken with Teslac, HCG, or Clomid. It is a popular precontest drug to increase muscle hardness. When taken along with Nolvadex, it almost completely blocks the effects of estrogen.

Proviron:

Masterolone is a anadrogenic steroid with almost no anabolic action. It is used as a anti estrogen and gives the body a hard dense look.

Size:* Strengh:** Side effects:****

Dose 1-2 tabs a day(comes in 25mg tabs)

Proviron:

Proviron is a regestrated trade mark of Scherling A/G Germany & Schering Mexicanna...Proviron/mesterolone Oral 25 mg Tablets are a multi-purpose Androgenic steroid with anabolic properties designed to be given to men in the early and medopausal stages of life. This steroid is most unique in the world because it is a non-17 Alpha Oral Androgen replacement for males. Provides health, added sex drive, the feeling of well being, vigor and sone qualties of youth. It may be taken over long periods of time. It does not aromatize...in fakt bodybuilders take this in place of Novadex because Provirion is an Estrogen Antaginist. It is completly Syngerstic with all other steroids. Though as the best steroids goes not arroved by FDA but Schering world wide sales don�t seem to suffer. Proviron is sold in 37 Countries world wide. Sense it unique formula does not shut down the male own hormone production as with the highly androgenic T-Cyponiate and spermogenis is added to not subtracted from...Proviron could medically help 20 to 30 million males who experience male-medopause.


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snapdragon
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posted April 12, 2000 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for snapdragon   Click Here to Email snapdragon     Edit/Delete Message
thanks--I guess it would be OK to use with clomid post cycle--sounds like it blocks gains during cycle.

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Milk_Man
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posted April 12, 2000 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Milk_Man   Click Here to Email Milk_Man     Edit/Delete Message
Proviron is not an anti-estrogen, it does not attach to estrogen receptors any more than testosterone does. It is not an anti-aromitize as in Arimidex. What it does is it attaches to aromitize enzimes very strong while haveing no abilitly to aromitize itself, it blocks other androgens from attaching. Don't read any of these WAR and other reviews. Most of the time they are wrong, and if they happen to be right, its for all the wrong reasons.

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snapdragon
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posted April 12, 2000 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for snapdragon   Click Here to Email snapdragon     Edit/Delete Message
Milkman--so in your opinion does this stuff have any value? From your info it sounds pretty worthless. I was considering using it as a weak anabolic post cycle with clomid to keep t levels high but in your opinion should I just stick with clomid and nolvadex?

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Milk_Man
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posted April 12, 2000 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Milk_Man   Click Here to Email Milk_Man     Edit/Delete Message
It has its values, if your bloated from things like test and d-bol, it will make you lose some of the water your holding. At the end of your cycle it could help you keep your mood up, its best to take it before bed for that effect. If I were you, I would just do 100mg clomid for two weeks a week from your last shot and maybe do the Proviron that first week of clomid to get rid of the bloat faster.

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