posted April 12, 2000 03:16 AM            

Every fricking day there are about a dozen posts on "How do I best stack deca and primo?" and then I see "Will Anavar give me a good 15 gain?" and lets not mention "Orals only - please advise..."
Look, every known roid was/is made to do one thing - simulate the testosterone molecule. Now some have a better anabolic/androgen ratio, but ALL roids must in some fashion accomplish this. WHY??? Because testosterone BUILDS MUSCLE. That's it. Period. No test, no muscle.

This is why I include test in every cycle I have ever done. Even on a cutting cycle - (which is once every 5 years I believe there are many more reasons to use test, just going to go into 'em right now would be to lengthy.

With the exception a few folks, is seems to me test is considered a second class choice around here. Therefore my question? Why is this so?? I'm confused.... Can someone give me any factual information on this? Is there some new information I've not seen?

Why don't we see threads like, "Test only cycle, please help" from the newer folks?

Late

Lobo

TEST is to me the principal AS upon which all cycles should be based. In almost all cases the side effects of test can be minimized and even eliminated. This cannot be said for other drugs as readily- especially DECA, ANADROL and FINAPLIX- which all act as progestins (though FIN less than the two others) and can cause gyno while using antiestrogens. these are just a few examples and all drugs are somewhat different just as peoples reactions to those drugs are somewhat different. JUST REMEMBER THAT TEST IS WHAT GOT YOU TO WHERE ARE. (or for those already using where you were)
With regards to making to quick of gains with test- if you are taking anti estrogens this will minimize our water retention, the addittion of potassium sparing herbal or pharmaceutical diuretics should eliminate it. This will keep your actual weight gains more modest, however will not to any great extent affect the anabolic action.
NEXT- wear baggy clothes- shower frequently- dont draw attention to yourself by screaming like a madman trying to get up weight that your tendons probably are not ready for. slow down your rep speed which will enable you to use less weight and yet get the same results-ie focus on the contraction aqnd not the weight- It is best to increase the time spent on the eccentric or negative portion of the left.
LIE- this works pretty well- if you lie and keep on lying people will begin to beleive you- use the " these prohormones are really making a difference" line and most of them will just let it go. REMEMER "dude, I'm natural- dont whine to me just cause you aint got my genetics"- this one works pretty well too. I should know I am totally natural- you know, I am taking creatine, but i worry even about that. hehehe

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You guys are giving bad opinions to newbies. Of course, test is the king; however, you don't need test on your first cycle. Everyone know that if you do the same cycle two times, the second time won't be as good. Therefore, why start out with the KING. Start with something light like deca or EQ. Even D-bol is unnecessary for a first-timer. DON'T LISTEN TO THEM NEWBIES. THEY JUST WANT TO BE BIGGER THAN YOU Anyways, start light. Go heavy later.

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Phiend
I really dont know where to begin. but i will give it a shot anyway. It really depends on what kind of "newbies" we are talking about. if we are talking about the kind that, from a medical standpoint should not be taking gear, are 16-20, well then you may be right that anabolics- like deca, eq, winstrol, even primo may be a better choice becuase they already are producing a lot of test. However this does not mean that test as a first cycle, for even this type of "newbie", is a bad idea. it is a good cycle though If and only If the person realizes and accounts for the possible side effects and does what is necessary to counteract them.

Now to the other kind of "newbie"- the old guys- will with their lower levels of test probably not be able to make appreciable gains on such an anabolic cycle- though there are exceptions.
One of the main problems is that with their reduced levels of TEST production to begin with many older men will face libido/performance problems when on a anabolics only cycle (especially one that emphasizes deca)- you might not be concerned about this but it seems to me that most men are.
I think that test is an integral part of any cycle "newbie" or not- when talking about those who in this age category.

ALL THAT BEING SAID, *AS* SHOULD,in my opinion, ONLY BE USED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE REACHED A POINT CLOSE TO THEIR POTENTIAL- THEY SHOULD POSSESS THE KNOWLEDGE OF PROPER CYCLING AND ALL THE THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT.

I PERSONALLY THINK THAT, AS SOME ONE CONSIDERING *AS*, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE POSTS ON A BOARD LIKE THIS AND NOT HAVE YOUR IDEAS TORN TO PEICES BEFORE YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT YOUR FIRST CYCLE.

EVEN THEN THINK IT THROUGH AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE READY. DONT JUST THINK YOUR READY, KNOW YOUR READY.

BTW- PHIEND, THIS IS MY OPINION, I DO NOT ASK THAT YOU AGREE- ONLY THAT YOU CONSIDER.

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posted April 12, 2000 03:36 AM            

I was AS free until I reached 30 years old, but I managed to get my body weight up to 225 lbs at 14% bf. I was 175 lbs when I graduated HS. I felt I reached my genetic potential and then entered the "Brotherhood". So as you can see, I agree totally with you on that topic. As for why Test doesn't get the respect it deserves, I feel that Test is like a regular old Ford pickup truck. Doesn't cost too much, isn't exotic, gets the job done everytime and is very predictable. Primo, Deca and the like must appear to some to be some sort of wonder drug that builds muscle like no tomorrow with zero side effects. Those people couldn't be farther from the truth. I have cycled every type of AS( with the exception of Trenbolone), and I have found that Test IS king. I practically live on Upjohn Cyp. Don't let people get to you. I realize you have to deal with many more of these guys than I do, but sooner or later they will come around. You are a very well educated person, and why more folks don't listen, or more so believe what you say is beyond me. I guess people just want to believe hype. Rock on Bro!

posted April 12, 2000 10:20 PM            

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