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 First Cycle Questions (17 year old)
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KingDbol Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 23) |
posted April 11, 2000 11:09 PM
 
I am currently 17 and will turn 18 in june. I want to take some sort of steroid and i belive that i want decca or primo. I have not taking steroids in the past. As far as i know these have very few side effects and are a little more safe than others. I know the suggestion is to wait until one is over 20 years of age, but i cant wait any longer. I am, in my opinion, large for a high school senior with very little body fat. Im about 6' 1" and weigh approx 185, but all muscle. I dont need a steroid that will blow me up, because i dont want anyone to find out. That is why i narrowed it down to decca or primo. Im just looking for about an eight week cycle with only about 5-10 pounds of lean muscle. I was wondering if you knew for sure what side effects could evolve from the gear and also if i need to take clomid or nolvadex along with it. I know every one is different, but i was wondering if either on these steroids tend to cause certain side effects, unwanted that is. I would say i am somewhat prone to gyno, because my father had it as a teenager, and i have a small lump under both of my nipples. Amounts to take would also be helpful. Any help would be greatly appreciated. [This message has been edited by KingDbol (edited April 11, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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Titan Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 20) |
posted April 11, 2000 11:41 PM
 First off im not an expert about AS and id would try changing my deit before i used AS. Ive read of some people getting gyno from Deca so you might not want to use it. Id go with primo 400mg for 6 weeks. Just figured id try to help if your minds already made up. IP: Logged |
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KingDbol Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 23) |
posted April 11, 2000 11:45 PM
I eat very healthy and watch my carb and protein intake...about a three to one ratio currently. I take in more than one gram of protein per pound of weight, thank you though. And for the record, my mind is not made up, so all suggestions are welcome. IP: Logged |
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BigDallas Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 44) |
posted April 11, 2000 11:52 PM
good choice, dude i'm seventeen, 5'11 205 just started my cycle which includes deca, pimobolan depot, winstrol and d-bol primo and deca are relatively safe roids you might expeirience pain from injections and possibly deca dick if you use higher dosages, stay around 400 clomid is a must nolvadex if you develop bitch tits, which is unlikely if you eat right you could reach your desired weight IP: Logged |
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Splapps23 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 32) |
posted April 11, 2000 11:59 PM
If you have access to primo-depot...I would suggest using it a 200mg/wk for 8 weeks. With this dose there is little if inhibition of your bodys ability to produce test on its own, no chance of gyno and no little if any water retention. You should be able to accomplish all your goals relatively side-effect free and with the added bonuses of keeping your gains and not drawing attention to yourself by "bloating-up". Deca will bloat you @400mg/wk. Just my 2-cents IP: Logged |
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KingDbol Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 23) |
posted April 12, 2000 12:02 AM
thanks man you helped out a lot IP: Logged |
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BigDallas Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 44) |
posted April 12, 2000 12:10 AM
CORRECTION: "STAY" WAS MEANT TO BE "SAY" IP: Logged |
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Jhamilton Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 26) |
posted April 12, 2000 12:54 AM
Kingdbol you are way to young to start using. You really should work out for a couple or three years before you cycle anything. IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1100) |
posted April 12, 2000 01:04 AM
King, How long have you been working out continuously (without taking more than 3 weeks off from the gym)? Jon ------------------ IP: Logged |
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squatter Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 40) |
posted April 12, 2000 01:36 AM
hey bro, I had buddies that were gettin' juiced up in HS... Before I ever startedusing I was 230 at 9% BF. in comp. squatted 560, bench-340, dead-600. Not a flame, nor am I bragging. Just make sure you're are doing EVERYTHING correctly BEFORE you hit the sauce. I started gear at age 19 by the way. Set your self a goal! for ex: tell your self that you will wait till you squat 2 1/2 times BW, bench 1 1/2%, and dead 2 1/2%. Then hit the gear BIG TIME!! you will be SOOOO SOOOO glad that you waited! your gains in the long run will be far greater! Best of luck!! PEACE!! IP: Logged |
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kosfer Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 27) |
posted April 12, 2000 01:42 AM
Can someone please talk some sense to those kids? 2Thick I'm counting on you man...I know very little about roids myself but I will tell you what I do know: First, if you're not sure what you're talking about DO NOT give other people advice, especialy when it is about AS. Second, DO A LOT OF REASERCH before putting ANYTHING into your body! People have been researching for years and have spend a lot of time educating themselves about AS and still make mistakes. Just one little request for all you young people (under 23)...have a little patiens and brain cause YOU will be the ones to regret it and its going to be too late!!! IP: Logged |
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 1100) |
posted April 12, 2000 01:50 AM
Good point, kosfer. I just want to gather some info about him before I tell him what he will do to himself (physiologically) if he chooses to use gear. Jon ------------------ IP: Logged |
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oversized Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 135) |
posted April 12, 2000 02:54 AM
King for starters 6'1" 185 is average size at best for a highschool senior. Second your too young to get involved with juice. There is a reason that the guys on this board have been saying to wait until your 21. They know something that you don't,"Your not ready for it" to gain that 5-10 pounds that your looking for can be done quite easily through diet and Really hard work. Chances are your not trainin hard enough, long enough, consitent enough, your diet isn't as good as you say,your not training correctly, or your just kidding yourself. Now if you were 6'1" 220-230 pounds very lean and you were having troubles gaining that extra 5 your looking for then i might understand a little better. But your only 185 and 17 years old. you need to train harder and for a few more years. how can you say that you want to take juice soooo badly but you don't want anyone to know. Well if you don't want anyone to know then just don't tell them or just dont do it. people will assume anything they want. If you fess up to your steroid use then people will know the truth otherwise keep em guessing. Read the old post man, most all the guys say here that to protect yourself then the best security is to not tell anyone even your best friend! As for the juice if your going on i would do primo, winny, EQ,anavar or even andriol just to give you other options. And remember to research this a little more. Make sure that it is something that you are really ready to step into. Because this is not something that most people can just do one cycle and quit SHIT AIN'T LIKE THAT. Juice works and its fun. so i hope i helped some. IP: Logged |
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muncheruk Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 22) |
posted April 12, 2000 06:58 AM
Listen man, I know u probably dont want to hear this but I would wait before u start juicing. I mean at the moment you are producing good test, for your self- wait untill you r are atleast 21. There are some un desired effects with roid use, I have strted to develop spots on my back and chest- do u relly think the high school ladies are going to enjoy that. U cant enjoy a beer with friends- at least think about what u r doing. Take care- and remember u r only young once Munch IP: Logged |
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Deepsquat Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 499) |
posted April 12, 2000 07:17 AM
Come on man , What is with this shit " I can't wait any longer" ? And you only want 5-10 pounds of muscle? Then just change your diet get enough sleep and you should be at 200 pounds in a year or so without drugs...BTW nI was tghe same weight when I graduated and I waited until I hit 220....4 years later before juicing! IP: Logged |
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sprinter87 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 28) |
posted April 12, 2000 08:27 AM
Good to see common sense ruling on this board. At 17 the body is producing a lot of testosterone. If AS are taken during this 'growth phase' the body will stop producing test naturally and will generally never get back to the amount it was producing before the AS were used. This is the reason why AS usage while you are in this 'growth phase' can actually stunt your growth and stop you reaching full height and bone structure... Do you want to reach your potential? IP: Logged |
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KingDbol Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 23) |
posted April 12, 2000 02:29 PM
2Thick, to answer your question, at least for a year nonstop, maybe a week here or there. Other than that, freshman-junior year, i would take three months off every year, to train heavy for my sport. I appreciate the concern for my health, but i really want to take something. Its not only to look bigger, and to be stronger, but also for protection. I think that i am fairly strong and im only now making big advances in my numbers. And munch, what kind of spots are you talking about? IP: Logged |
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oversized Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 135) |
posted April 12, 2000 02:53 PM
well 5-10 pounds is not looking bigger and stronger. shit i fluctuate 5-10 pounds determining on the amount of cardio i do in a work out. Now 20 pounds that is looking bigger. WAIT, EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT EAT. lift and rest. Shit size takes time my friend. Listen to these guys they are all telling you to wait for a reason. don't be so frigging impatient. You obviosly have no real concept of what weight training is all about. A lot of hard work and dedication, and most of all PATIENTS. thats what makes all of this worth it. Your so focused on the result that you are not understanding the hard road it is to get there. Thats what makes it all the better, when its all done you don't focus all your efforts on the fact that you finally got to the end rather you relish in the thoughts and memories of those heavy training days that you were in pain, and you pushed through, that you hit all the little goals along the way. Forget you ever thought of doing juice, and focus on training. Let that be your juice. and if you need to take something go find some vitamins. Try to take them on a consistent basis and take some creatine. If your drinking on the weekend then give that up see how long you can last. Listen to these people they dont even know you and they care about you. IP: Logged |
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Juicer56 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 78) |
posted April 12, 2000 03:02 PM
hey i was in your same poisition and wanted to do a cycle towards the end of my senior year, many will tell you to wait because you haven't reached your natural limit but the most important thing is your diet( and it takes many good bb's years to get this down) which will make the biggest difference in a cycle, i actually worked out with a guy on juice when i was 16 and was the same size as him before and after, he swore i was juicin too but i told him i concentrated on my diet and loaded up on ephedra for some awesome workouts, i was 18 and 220@8%bf 5' 10" when i did my first cycle and that wasn't even my plateau but for the years i would take to get that extra few pounds, i feel it wasn't worth it IP: Logged |
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PhatPat Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 39) |
posted April 12, 2000 04:41 PM
I can relate to where you are King, I am a high school senior myself. I am 18 years old and I have been working out for 4 years straight. I am a completely dedicated football player and would never do anything to jeopordise that. I started working out when I was 14. I worked with a trainer and did no less than sets of 15. This gave me a strong foundation for strength. Also the trainer taught me everything there is to know about nutrition and working out. I knew a lot. I dont doubt that you know your way around the weight room, or that you know your nutrition. And you have probably researched AS for a long time, you seem like a smart dude. For me, I got to where I could feel my body. I didnt follow a schedule of what to work out and when, I could feel when I needed to work out what. So, after years of training I could feel myself grow and not grow. I realized, when the recruiting season was coming to a close that I needed to take something. I just wasnt growing anymore. I wasnt getting stronger and I wasnt getting bigger. I knew that if I didnt do something, I would go to camp in the worse shape out of everyone. You see I have the worst genetics known to man when it comes to working out, and you would see that if you saw my lineage, or if you were in my shoes. I dedided that I needed a boost, I needed to kick start my growing so I am taking one cycle of 1-2cc of test prop for 8 weeks. That is all I am taking and all I plan to take. I am being smart about it, and it sounds like you are being smart about it. The only thing that is throwing me off it you said all you wanted to gain is 5-10lbs. You cant go into this stuff with that mindset. You could be overtraining, try slowing down and taking some effervescent creatine, if that doesnt work, then I say that you should be smart and do it. IP: Logged |
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2legit2quit Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 49) |
posted April 12, 2000 07:08 PM
You younger guys should have some patience and wait. I know thats hard and exactly the opposite of what you want to do, but there is a reason all us older guys are telling you this. We were all there once too. You'll be amazed at age 25 when you look back and realize how little you knew at age 18 or 19, etc. I'm certainly not calling anyone stupid or anything and I think its great that you're on the board. But, use the board to your advantage. Learn from the guys here, develop your physiques, when you're done growing naturally, use AS and all the knowledge you've gained here to irradicate your weaknesses. There's truth in the old saying that "haste makes waste". Sorry for the lecture, but this is definitely like a brotherhood and I think I speak for everyone when I say that we don't want to see anyone here do anything that might end up hurting them in the long run. We got your back either way though bro, so good luck whatever you decide to do. IP: Logged |
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demaroid Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 117) |
posted April 12, 2000 07:33 PM
I understand that you want to get bigger now, but I grew 2 inches from age 19-20 and am glad I had those couple of more inches to fill out. Its your call though bro, but just make sure its an educated decision and not one made out of impulse. Good Luck! LIVE MASSIVE DEMAROID IP: Logged |
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