posted April 11, 2000 05:37 PM            

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ok, ketogenic diet is great for pre-contest, but what about everyday use while utilizing A.S.? If too much protein keeps you from going into ketosis, how do you get all your protein in?

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posted April 11, 2000 05:43 PM            

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i tried that diet, i gained about 3 pounds of muscle in 1� month, and lost lots of fat, i allso set my alltime best deadlift at 225kg, i never taken any AS (yet ;-) and my weight was 85 kg at that time, but damm its hard to follow that diet, especialy on your mind.

Bluesy

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posted April 11, 2000 06:06 PM            

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I'm on the anabolic diet and AS. Dr. DiPasquale mentions in his book that someone on this diet and supplementing with AS will get better gains than AS alone.

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posted April 11, 2000 06:32 PM            

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it must be because of the insulin increase in the weekend that it works better with AS, i know i wasent allways able to sleep in the weekend, because of the high amount of energy i had.

Bluesy

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posted April 11, 2000 06:35 PM            

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Is this diet online somewhere?

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posted April 11, 2000 06:36 PM            

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I must be mistaken, but I was under the assumption that while on a.s, lots of low and high glycemic carbs were needed to optimize gains. I thought the ketogenic diet was BAD for gains.

VDEVIL

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posted April 11, 2000 06:39 PM            

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no rocky you wont find it online, but i mailed you with a short description of it.

Bluesy

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posted April 11, 2000 07:11 PM            

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you most certainly can find it online under the articles portion of elite finess magazine...

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posted April 11, 2000 07:21 PM            

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vdevil is correct. The ketogenic diet is not ideal while on A/S. I'm not sure what Di Pasquale's rational is, but a few years back, I e-mailed Dan Duchaine on the subject and he stated that his CKD was for non-steriod using BB's. There's a Dirty Dieting newsletter floating around the net which has a great article explaining insulin's role in the utilization of A/S in the body. Bottom line was you need the insulin, so you have to eat carbs. Even though I'm a huge advocate of this diet for getting really lean, I don't think the weekend carb up can compare to eating carbs all week in terms of muscle growth when on A/S.

The Doctor

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posted April 11, 2000 08:26 PM            

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bump on this subject..

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posted April 11, 2000 08:54 PM            

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THANKS BLUESY !!

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