posted April 11, 2000 01:53 AM         

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Howdy Gentlemen,
Been on fina for about 3 weeks now and the strength gains have been phenomenal to say the least. also noticed fat loss as well...i am on a cutting cycle right now trying to go from (presently) 241 lbs to 225 or 230. My diet is 100% in check...i do cardio about 3 times a week and i am also taking Xenadrine...it has worked wonders for me in the past and i wanna stick with it. Here is my question...once i acheive my goal of 225 with a lower BF% lever of course i wanna know what i can take to GET BIG...i am hoping to avoid shots at all costs even though i am well aware shots tend to be safer as far as toxicity goes, but i would like to stick with pills. Something that will give me good results without a lot of side effects (gyno, water retention) etc What do you guys think?? Thanks bros

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posted April 11, 2000 02:00 AM            

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Well orals are toxic as fuck compared to injectables. You will have to overcome your needle scare to progress to the next level.

Sounds like damn video game, but it's true man. Fina is pretty toxic to the kidneys. Injectables are the way to roll.

Sounds like you have your heart set on using orals, but with stuff like dbol, anadrol- you're gonna have aromatization, water retension, acne, excess estrogen- all the bad shit you don't want.

My advice: get over the needle phobia..

[This message has been edited by Sittin' On Diesel (edited April 11, 2000).]

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posted April 11, 2000 02:02 AM         

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I strongly recommend doing a cycle of test...
I assume you dont want to get "too involved" into the gear scene by having to load a dart and getting it into yourself....but it aint so troublesome, the benefits are far greater than going orally.....

If you were to go orally, d-bol does wonders, but will leave you bloated some, and you wont keep your gains no where near like a test....it will be quick up, and quick down....

Explain to me why u dont want to inject..?

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posted April 11, 2000 02:09 AM         

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This will most likely be a lame excuse, but i really have no f***ing clue when it comes to injecting juice. I assume doing research on the topic of "injecting techniques" is the obvious initial path to take. Test is the way to go eh?? Is test fairly easy to obtain...dont take that as me asking a for a supplier...just wanted to know availability.

One more quick question for fina users...anyone else noticing (those of you who do the DMSO method like myself) having problems with getting all the powder to absorb??? I just add more pellets when i mix it now to compensate for the loss...good/bad idea??? Thanks again

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posted April 11, 2000 02:17 AM         

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I was terrified of needles, plus I didnt have a clue on how to load one or anything....

I asked a "not so close" friend if he could help me out, you know, a big guy that juices at the gym, and he took me under his wing and showed me the ropes.....big guys are really helpful when they see someone is serious about lifting and gear, and is not a threat.....

If you could befriend someone like this where you lift, that would be the way to go....my buddy gave me my shots for the first 2 years, til I got fed up with needing a shot and him not being around, finally learned to stick it in my own ass, but still need the wife to push the fluid in....cant reach around too good....and I prefer the ass, because I dont even feel it ... I'm scared of needles too !!! he he he

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posted April 11, 2000 02:43 AM            

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Haus3- yeah I noticed some white powdery shit where I applied the mixture. I'm using 5 pellets now, and have been since the start. Someone posted that the white shit is the binders/glue- could be. Heard that DMSO can only pass stuff through that has a molec. weight of 600 or less (right/wrong?). I know that tren has a molec. weight of 300.

Could only be the binders and glue, then again maybe not. Heard from another place that only about 2/3 of the fina gets transferred when using DMSO. This could also be true. Anyone know more info on this (other than speculation)?

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posted April 11, 2000 02:52 AM            

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hey u stole half of my name!! It better refer to the same haus!!

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posted April 11, 2000 06:58 PM         

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I always tend to have some "leftovers" on my leg once the wrap is taken off. I guess using more pellets would be the solution to that problem. How soon should i start a cycle of test after i get off the fina??? Thanks

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posted April 11, 2000 10:30 PM            

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I have another question about Fina. Is it wise to take clomid during a fina cycle? Also, Ive heard strengh gains from fina are great, how about gaining mass? Any suggestions on first cycle with Fina?

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posted April 11, 2000 10:45 PM            

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I've been trying the DMSO route for a week now and also notice some powder left over. Man, this shit really burns! I'd rather be using a needle. Its less painfull and probably safer. I don't notice any garlic smell yet. Maybe I just naturally smell bad!!

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posted April 11, 2000 10:55 PM         

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Slayer...it definitely burns a little bit...add a few drops of water and that should ease the pain a little more...i think it is close to impossible to get all the pellets into a real fine powder...there is always gonna be some leftover i am pretty sure that is inevitable....thinking about getting on Sustanon 250 after the fina is over...any thoughts on that???

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posted April 11, 2000 11:03 PM            

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Definetly Sus250 is good. Don't be too afraid of the pins. Its easier than you think. The only reason I'm using this messy fina is it seems impossible to get anything else. So I resort to pouring solvents on my thigh. What a country!

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posted April 12, 2000 02:09 PM            

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when i did my fina cycle i noticed that i still had some of the large "crumbs" left on my leg. after i finished crushing them up i would go to them with a razor to crush them up even more. (felt like such a crackhead) but i was still left with crumbs. i don't think you can get away from them. i'm looking to buy a crusible (sp?) like they use to use at the pharmacies way back when. maybe that'll help?

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posted April 12, 2000 02:15 PM            

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If you use a mortar & pestle you should easily be able to grind the pellets into a very fine powder.

If the 'left-overs' you're refering to appear to be a yellowish film, its the glue and binders from the mixture.

Yes, some of the glue and binders are absorbed, but for the most part it's left behind. I can only assume, since it's binders, that some TA is still bound though.

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posted April 12, 2000 06:32 PM         

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the only thing i don't like about fina only cycles is the shut down of test production. it fucking sucks but clomid definitely helps EOD

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posted April 12, 2000 10:08 PM            

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When i did Fina I just put the DMSO in the needle then put the pellets in and let them sit for a few hours then it is all dissoloved right there in the needle.

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