GEORGE SPELLWIN'S ANNOUNCEMENTS
Enlightening Men about Anabolic Steroids and Bodybuilding for over Two Decades
 UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! |
 George Spellwin's ELITE FITNESS Discussion Boards
 Anabolic Discussion Board
 anyone who uses sustenon or enanthate should read this.
|
| Author | Topic: anyone who uses sustenon or enanthate should read this. |
|
Joseph_stalin Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 468) |
posted April 11, 2000 01:03 AM
  
it only takes 200 mg of test to shut down natural test production. so anytime you have 200 or more mg test in your body you are basically "on". sust has a 14 day half-life, which means that if you inject 500 mg, it takes 14 days to get that down to 250 mg. most people redose every 7 days while on sustenon. which means that the amount of sust in the body keeps increasing because you are putting more sust in your body than your body is destroying. basically if you are taking 750 mg a week, on week 1 you have 750 mg sust in your body. since by then end of week 1 you are only down to about 540 mg. if you redose 750 now you have 1290 mg sust in your body. basically you are putting more sust in your body as your body is destroying until you attain equilibrium. in a 7 day period, on average, about 30% of the sust in your body will be destroyed. so the amount in your body will keep increasing until you have 3x the amount in your body as you are redosing every week. ie, if you are taking 750 mg a week, you will keep building up sustenon until you have 2200 mg stored. if you dose 1000 mg a week you will keep building up until you have 3000 mg in your body. if you are taking 500 mg a week you will keep building up until you have 1500 mg. anyway, by week 7, no matter the dose, you will attain equilibrium, meaning that the amount you redose every 7 days will equal the amount being destroyed every 7 days. basically if you are taking 750 mg a week, by week 7 you will have 2200 mg sust in your body. if you are taking 500 mg a week you will have 1500 in your body. the average sust cycle is 8 weeks. if you are taking 750 mg a week, on week 8 you have 2200 mg sust in your body. because sust has a 14 day half-life, the sust will remain active in your system long after you quit the drug. it only takes about 200-300 mg in your system to make your body think you are "on". so lets say you did an 8 week cycle of 750 mg sust every week. on week 8 you have 2200 mg sust in your body. week 10 you have 1100 mg. week 12 550. week 14 275. since 200-300 mg is all you need to be "on" you are really doing a 14-16 week cycle. what i am trying to say is that if you do a cycle of sust, the sust remains active for about 8 weeks after you quit. so when you THINK you are doing an 8 week cycle of sust, you are REALLY doing a 15-17 week cycle. if you are taking 1000 mg a week, it will be about week 18 before you have destroyed enough to return to normal endrocrine functions. week 8 you have 3000 mg in your system. week 10-1500 mg, 12-750, 14-375, 16-190.
but basically if you do a cycle containing enanthate or sustenon, you will actually be doing a cycle about 6 weeks longer than when you stop dosing. if you do a 10 week cycle, you are actually doing about an 18 week cycle. Because it takes 3-4 half-lives for the drug to leave your system. IP: Logged |
|
!Bodybuilder2000! Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 11) |
posted April 11, 2000 01:12 AM
Thats great news!!!BUMP! IP: Logged |
|
Thunder Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 65) |
posted April 11, 2000 01:22 AM
I have know this for a while and thought almost every other perrson should know also I use high test1000-1500mg for weeks 1-5 with deca around 500mg brovel so really around 300 then after week 5 I switch to faster test such as suspen or prop I used to use eq but that to is not to fast so for weeks 5-10 I use fast adrogens that way when I go off on week 10 I am really off on week ten I also keep my orals going after my inject for a couple days tapering works wonders always keep gains and always put on 20-30 pounds I also switch my tests after each cyc one cyc sus the other ethan the next cyp find it to work well use deca always and do orals every 2 cycles to keep liver alive hahaha. ------------------ IP: Logged |
|
macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1212) |
posted April 11, 2000 01:28 AM
while I am too lazy to go into detail- I will submit that your math is totally wrong example- in week 1 at 750 mg injected the body is only subjected systemically to between 250 and 300mg of test most of which comes from the propionate and the phenylpropionate- the other two esters release patterns are so long that they contribute little to the total at this point- however as you go on these long acting esters contribute greatly to the amount of systemic testosterone exposure- which is why around week 3,4 or 5 people really start to "feel" the effects. I understand your theory about build up- but your math needs some work. oh BTW- enanthate has a half life of more like 6 days with a possible 2 day variance plus or minus depending on your body's "reaction" to the ester.
[This message has been edited by macrophage69alpha (edited April 11, 2000).] IP: Logged |
|
Rich1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 79) |
posted April 11, 2000 01:59 AM
I see what Macrophage is saying and it explains why I really feel the sus now, thankfully this is so, as I don't want to wait forever for the cycle to really end, other wise I would be on forever,sorry boys but it can only last for so long, and be glad it does...here's to the next one in about 3 months..later dudes! IP: Logged |
|
CalKid Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 24) |
posted April 11, 2000 11:51 AM
Interesting post. Macro is right though. If you take 750mg of sust every week, by the third week it'll reach it's peak concentration (when most people feel the effects anyway.) To be more precise, during week three the sust will peak to be approximately 1005mg and will remain there until you taper or stop the sust and let it self-taper. I'm too lazy to go into more detail as well but trust me, my math is right. IP: Logged |
|
conan69 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 444) |
posted April 11, 2000 12:00 PM
good posts i agree with macro when it comes to the sust about the different esters and about the eth with the 6 day halflife i know it is shorter in me then in many of my budds ------------------ IP: Logged |
|
el cubano Moderator (Total posts: 354) |
posted April 11, 2000 12:04 PM
Ya, I guess that stalins post should have been directed to Test E more so than sust. ------------------ IP: Logged |
|
tri~zilla Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 144) |
posted April 11, 2000 12:19 PM
this is more like it! these are the type of posts i like to see. adios, ------------------ IP: Logged |
|
airtyme Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 344) |
posted April 11, 2000 01:08 PM
it is a nice theory but lets not look at it in terms of half live because that term is actually misleading. Sust has four testosterones in it. The longest acting ingrediate is 100mgs and last for 28 day on average, period. I will use that ingrediant for this example. Even if your are doing 4 amps a week (1000mgs) you will have about 400mgs of the long acting test, plus what is left over form the past few weeks. This much is true. However, whether you have 200mgs or 2000mgs of that particular test in your system, it will still be gone 4 weeks later at the most. I am not going to go into details as to why the term "Half-life" is a little misleading, maybe I'll post that later. Put it this way, most dug test will pick up marijuana for up to 6 weeks. Based on the half-life theory, if a person smookes a couple roles every day, he would be able to be detected for about 3-4 months. But the truth is, whether you do it on occasion or you are a chine joint smoker, it will only be detected for up to 6 weeks. It is the same principle. But you guys should keep this info in mind when taken clomid at the end of a cycle of sust. If you do the 2 week load up of clomid the week after you last sust injection. You will still have some sust in your system when you stop the clomid and your natural test might have time to shut down again and you hjust defeated the purpose of it's use. My hands are tired. Peace ------------------ IP: Logged |
|
Steriod_Virgin Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 26) |
posted April 11, 2000 01:47 PM
Newbie does the math. If you doing 250/w with a 14 day halflife, this is how much you'd have in your system on shot day each week. Week 1 250 If some one breaks out the half life of each ester, I break it down in more detail. SV IP: Logged |
|
onlythestrong Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 159) |
posted April 11, 2000 06:10 PM
Put it this way, about 4 wks after your last shot of sus, there will be none remaining in your system IP: Logged |
|
MattTheSkywalker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 503) |
posted April 11, 2000 06:25 PM
Because sust has 4 half lives/4 test esters, Stalin's math was inaccurate. But his point is absolutely true and worth noting - that there is still test in your system longer than a week afetr your last injection. Good point Matt IP: Logged |
|
kbar Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 60) |
posted April 11, 2000 07:50 PM
In light of all of this information, I don't know much about half-life and will probably never understand the chemical reactions behind AS, but I have one question to ask you guys who posted this stuff as a Sustanon 250 user: HOW LONG AFTER THE LAST INJECTION DO I START THE 3 WEEK CLOMID CYCLE? ------------------ IP: Logged |
|
KANE Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 190) |
posted April 11, 2000 08:10 PM
Cool debate, math hurts my head. So heres what Im going to do for my next cycle. WEEK1 SUST 1500 ------------------ IP: Logged |
|
masster_blasster Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 5) |
posted April 11, 2000 08:19 PM
don't do sust. it is expensive and it spends too much time in your ass cheek. IP: Logged |
|
Vlad67 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 85) |
posted April 11, 2000 08:52 PM
i would like to see kbars question answered.....when would be the best time to start the heavy week of clomid after the cycle? IP: Logged |
|
vdevil Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 430) |
posted April 11, 2000 09:34 PM
I believe it would be two weeks after your last shot. Is this correct? VDEVIL IP: Logged |
|
Marauder Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 241) |
posted April 11, 2000 09:50 PM
AAAAAAAAHHHH!!!! DAAAAAMN!!!!! JUST SHOOT IT!!!!!!AAAAAAAHHHHH!!!! MY BRAIN IS FUCKIN'FRAZZLIN' OVER HERE!! AAAAHH!!! ------------------ IP: Logged |
|
KANE Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 190) |
posted April 11, 2000 10:09 PM
RE: The clomid question. Think about it. If you start taking clomid 2 weeks after your last shot and take it for two weeks then your ending your clomid when all the juice is out of your system. I would say if Your taking clomid after a sust cycle and starting two weeks after the last shot then you would need to take it 4 weeks but maybe only 50mg eod. This may seem like overkill but clomid is cheap insurance as E2 always says....... The easy around this is to switch to short acting test like prop or suspension late in the cycle like Im planning to do. ------------------ IP: Logged |
All times are ET (US) | |
 |
|
|