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 4 weeks on 4 weeks off as opposed to 8week cycles
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conan69 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 422) |
posted April 10, 2000 03:03 PM
  
i always here cycles that are 8 weeks or longer. i have done alot of cycles and i have learned the following (i am not a bodybuilder i just like to lift heavy and be big while still lean) 1) test is a MUST in my cycles for size 2) my gains fall of after 3 to 4 weeks 3) orals are just not worth it conclusion here is what i am going to do 2)on cycles High testosterone t200 (cheap) i feel this will be effective ------------------ [This message has been edited by conan69 (edited April 10, 2000).] IP: Logged |
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conan69 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 422) |
posted April 10, 2000 03:49 PM
gonna bump for debate ------------------ IP: Logged |
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demaroid Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 85) |
posted April 10, 2000 03:58 PM
I think we are on the board at the same time so here we go I think the main part of C-jac's cycle that stuck out to me was he would take a week or two of juice and do dnp to clean receptors like Macro talked about. I bet if you tried that it would give you some postive results if you are reaching a gains plateau. I am going to do it in my next cycle= 6wks gear 1wk DNP then another 6 wks gear. Good luck bro let us know how it all turns out! LIVE MASSIVE DEMAROID IP: Logged |
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demaroid Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 85) |
posted April 10, 2000 03:59 PM
Sorry in my first sentence I meant a week or two off juice after he had been on awile. I still can't type to save my life. IP: Logged |
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Joseph_stalin Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 464) |
posted April 10, 2000 04:06 PM
do you think you need that much enanthate? it has a 10 day half life. if you keep redosing every 3 days you will end up with about 3-4 grams active in your body. IP: Logged |
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wraithman69 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 50) |
posted April 10, 2000 04:07 PM
I really don't start to see gains in size or strength till the third or fourth week, I will agree with you about Brovel t200 in that you should take a high dosage because the shit is so weak! Im beginning to think that this stuff is severly underdosed. What do you guys think? I really wouldn't doubt that it may be underdosed by as much as 100mg per cc. IP: Logged |
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conan69 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 422) |
posted April 10, 2000 04:12 PM
i dont want to mess with DNP. As for the amount of test.. there are some pros that take 3-4 thousand mgs per week. i am 265 pounds i dont think it is really that much. plus it has been stated that t200 IS underdosed. IP: Logged |
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dude Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 146) |
posted April 10, 2000 06:37 PM
I think it is better to go on shorter cycles with higher dosages. I have the same problem with plateauing at the longer cycles. Also the longer you go on your cycle the more side effects you receive. Just my opinion and experience. IP: Logged |
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Joseph_stalin Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 464) |
posted April 10, 2000 06:56 PM
i know brovel is underdosed, i just think that maybe with that much test you might be shotgunning and giving yourself fast but impermanent gains. IP: Logged |
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conan69 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 422) |
posted April 10, 2000 07:07 PM
yeah stalin that is why i am going to try the lutylase inbetween there isnt much research on if it works or not so call me ginny pig IP: Logged |
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Joseph_stalin Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 464) |
posted April 10, 2000 07:11 PM
oh shit, i think i know what is wrong. lets say you have 3 g test enanthate in your body when you end your cycle. because enanthate has a 10 day half-life by day 10 you will have 1.5 g in your body. day 20 700 mg. day 30 350 mg. that could be why your gains fall off after a month. it takes that long for the enanthate to leave your system. also, you will need more than 4 weeks off if you are using enanthate. basically, if you do a 4 week on, 4 off, 4 on cycle you are really doing a 12 week cycle, because you have enough enanthate in your system during the 4 off weeks to bridge between the 2 4 week cycles. you should try a short acting test like propionate. or maybe use trenbolone & dianabol. they both have short half-lives. IP: Logged |
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the truth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 339) |
posted April 10, 2000 10:44 PM
I think the solution is to front load your longer acting esters over the first 10 days and let them taper naturally in the body while taking shorter acting drugs (Fina or Prop would work) for the rest of the cycle. This way at the end of the 4 weeks most of what you have taken will be out of your system. I've done this in the past and liked it fine (although I'm returning to more conventional cycles for a while). IP: Logged |
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tray renfro Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 376) |
posted April 10, 2000 11:32 PM
i agree 80%, i think shorter cycles are the way to go. i Dont think i'll ever do one past 5-6weeks. i dont know about the oral part cause i loved my dbol, i havent used much AS so im not dissagring w/ you yet. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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conan69 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 422) |
posted April 11, 2000 09:33 AM
Ok stalin what about this.. first 2 weeks 2000mgs test eth next 2 weeks a shit load for propinate off 2 weeks with pgf2a then repeat with some deca thrown in i just want to try different shit ------------------ IP: Logged |
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