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shkdwnnj
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posted April 09, 2000 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shkdwnnj   Click Here to Email shkdwnnj     Edit/Delete Message
im on my socond cycle ever im currently 3 weeks into winny-v 50 mg eod im was going to start eq within a week,problem is im starting to feel slight liver pains or which i believe is liver pains there in my right lower side towards the back has anyone ever experienced this and is there anything i could do maybe milk thistle ,please any advice would be appreciated.

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Heemaan445
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posted April 09, 2000 02:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heemaan445     Edit/Delete Message
listen buddy, I've been through the ringer with my liver back in '95.....it became mildly inflammed from overuse of d-bol and beer....(stupid young jack-ass, that was me)

But my liver felt great !!! Didnt even have a pain, so I believe you got gas or something....but hey, if its persistant, go see a doc, you never want to listen to someone on a board when it comes to your health....get checked out and tell them the truth, beleive it or not, they wont arrest you !!!

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Dutch
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posted April 09, 2000 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dutch     Edit/Delete Message
Not a flame but have you been drinking ?

Dutch

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tmi533
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posted April 09, 2000 02:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmi533   Click Here to Email tmi533     Edit/Delete Message
help my pituitary is killing me
yea for the most part a liver does not cause you pain
go to doc and get a test if your paranoid

i got kidney pains once from ibuprofin advil-motrin that is common so check your kidneys

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shkdwnnj
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posted April 09, 2000 04:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shkdwnnj   Click Here to Email shkdwnnj     Edit/Delete Message
dutch no i didnt drink tonite im trying to stay away while on the cycle,last night i had a few beers,it could be my kidneys,tmi533 im just curios when your kidneys hurt where was the pain,im not bugging out i just want to no what it is,maybe you could help!!

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HamStuffer
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posted April 09, 2000 04:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for HamStuffer   Click Here to Email HamStuffer     Edit/Delete Message
Could be your kidneys trying to process the proteins. If it is liver, you can either stop for a week or two and see if the pain goes away, get blood work and check your SGOT levels (liver enzymes) and see if they are really high (above 70 would be high, but not uncommon), or keep taking them and help the liver out by not drinking and taking Milk Thistle and Primrose Oil. I would also take cranberry extract to help the kidneys. My 2 cents....

Hammy

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Dutch
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posted April 09, 2000 05:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dutch     Edit/Delete Message
i have had the same.. Please do not drink again while you take dbol. it should go away in the next few days. Start taking Milk Thistle. If the pain does not go away you should stop your cycle with a (small) taper and see a doctor. I have heard it many times and felt it myself, drinking and dbol causes liverpain.

Dutch

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shmucko
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posted April 09, 2000 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for shmucko   Click Here to Email shmucko     Edit/Delete Message
My kidney stone hurt in my lower back to the right side. For your sake I hope thats not it.

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deltman
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posted April 09, 2000 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for deltman   Click Here to Email deltman     Edit/Delete Message
You're right scmucko, I've had kidney stones twice in my life, and there is no pain like that!!!! Has been likened to a woman having a baby........and I can agree 100% with that.

deltman

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matty
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posted April 09, 2000 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for matty   Click Here to Email matty     Edit/Delete Message
HEY SNKDWNJ!
MILK THISTLE 160MGS (SILYMARIN) 4X DAY
EVENING PRIMROSE OIL 1300MGS 2WICE DAY!

AND DRINK ALOT OF CRANBURY JUICE WHILE ON A CYCLE, PERSONALY I DONT THINK ITS YOUR LIVER,
BUT TAKE THESE SUPPLEMENTS, TO PROTECT IT!!

PS
DO YOU BELIEVE THIS FUCKING SNOW!!!!

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seeyaatthegym!

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E2
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posted April 09, 2000 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for E2   Click Here to Email E2     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 54337564
Standardized silymarin 160 mg + 3x/day

Evening primrose oil 1300 mg 2x/day

Alpha lipoic acid 100 to 200 mg 3x/day

Glycyrrhizinate Forte 1 capsule 3x/day

N-acetyl cysteine 600 mg 3x/day

Glutamine powder 2g to 12g 3x/day (1 heaping teaspoon = 4g, 1 hpg tablespoon = 12 grams)

Omega 3 fatty acids 2 to 3 capsules 3x/day

Lung Tan Xie Gan Chinese herb formula - as directed

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dude
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posted April 09, 2000 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dude     Edit/Delete Message
Doesn't really sound like your liver but if you had kidney pains you would feel it on your lower back on either side.

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Heemaan445
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posted April 09, 2000 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heemaan445     Edit/Delete Message
Well, to be safe for anyone else taking advice from this post.

DO NOT DRINK TIL YOU FEEL YOUR LIVER STARTING TO HURT !!!

I wound up in the hospital from d-bol and beer, and I DIDNT HAVE ANY PAINS !!!

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shkdwnnj
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posted April 09, 2000 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shkdwnnj   Click Here to Email shkdwnnj     Edit/Delete Message
well took you guys advice and went to the store got me some milk thistle and primerose oil ,i appreciate the advice,one more thing is it really terrible to have a few weekend beers ,and whats the deal with winstrol i know it is 17aa so that makes it toxic to the liver but whats the deal is it the worst
for your liver because if you ask me this shit is pretty weak im thinking its not worth the toxins,about to start eq what do you guys think,im currently trying to get my bodyt fat down like i do every year at this time,i realy do like winstrols muscle sparing properties,im 215 5'11 10-12% bf

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muncheruk
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posted April 10, 2000 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for muncheruk   Click Here to Email muncheruk     Edit/Delete Message
Hey there man, Im was also suffering similar pains as you, as im a first cycler using 30mg aday of d-bol adding sus soon. Basically with the extra work load your liver is being put under you need to use milk thistle, and e.primrose. Remember u only have one liver
Go easy and keep in real

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