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Phucking Hungry
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 12)
posted April 04, 2000 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Phucking Hungry   Click Here to Email Phucking Hungry     Edit/Delete Message
I started on a cycle five weeks ago. Strength gains are good, body weight up about 10 pounds (WATER!) I've noticed some size gains and thickness but also water is noticable around chest and face. Heres the bad news I'm using 200mg of T-200 and 200 mg deca on Mon. and Fri. A total of 800mg a week. By no means is this alot of gear right bro's. The first thing that went wrong was week 2 my BP went up to 170 over 100. The next day it regulated. A week later I started felling shortness of breath (Like someones sitting on my chest all of the time) again I had my BP checked it ranged from 150-170 over 90-110. I said Phuck it it's in my head. I pressed on week four and five I have felt strong as hell but the BP headachs are still there. Last Fri BP was 155 over 123 WOW!!! Now I think it's time to say what the Phuck and bail out Bro's whats up????? Should I taper off or just quit period. I know in my mind I'm done too spoked after the other night chest pains, legs numb, light headed ect... Panic atack? mabey But somthing is not right it's not just my head. This is my second cycle ever first one I believe I got fake stuff. This time a good bro is helping me. He is quite experenced but is stumped. What's up?????

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MC
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posted April 04, 2000 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MC   Click Here to Email MC     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 68012015
Bump this for the bro - sounds like he needs an answer from someone!

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Joseph_stalin
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posted April 04, 2000 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joseph_stalin   Click Here to Email Joseph_stalin     Edit/Delete Message

just quit now. deca and t200 are self-tapering due to the long half lives they have. start taking clomid 10 days after your last injection.

have you thought about zestoretic? it is a blood pressure medicine. it brought my bp from 150/100 down to 130/80. ask your doctor.

better yet, find a new doctor. go to him, tell him about the steroids. if he gets mad at you, so what. just go back to your normal doctor. of course he will probably find out about it though. i think that medical history is public information.

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Phucking Hungry
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted April 04, 2000 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Phucking Hungry   Click Here to Email Phucking Hungry     Edit/Delete Message
BUMP! Sorry but I need some help Bro's I'm so pissed cause my hard work and gains are gonna disappear. Does anyone know why this would be happening at this low of a doesage? Am I sensitive to it or what?

PHUCK.................................

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macrophage69alpha
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posted April 04, 2000 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for macrophage69alpha   Click Here to Email macrophage69alpha     Edit/Delete Message
WHAT ARE YOU EATING?

IF YOUR DIET IS HIGH IN SODIUM, THIS COULD BE A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM.

YOU NEED TO EAT LOTS OF POTTASIUM AND MAGNESIUM RICH FOODS WHILE ON CYCLE.

ARE YOU TAKING ANY STIMULANTS- ECA ETC.
IN SOME PEOPLE WHEN STACKED WITH JUICE THE EXACERBATE THE BP PROBLEM ON TWO LEVELS- ONE THER ARE DIURETICS-NOT POTTASIUM SPARING AND THE CNS STIMUALTION AND THE ASSOCIATED HORMONES EPINEPHRINE AND NOREPINEPHRINE RAISE BP.

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Phucking Hungry
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted April 04, 2000 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Phucking Hungry   Click Here to Email Phucking Hungry     Edit/Delete Message
My diet is not high in sodium at all. As far as potassium intake I did not know about that. I have been drinking alot of water about a gallon to a gallon and a half a day.I thought that would help.No difference. Some days my BP is ok others it's terriable. Both times that it sky rocketed was on Friday night's after a morning injection. I'm wondering if I'm just sensitive to the test or is it pottassium and mag. intake. Never thought of that. 5-08 198 at the start (5weeks ago) now 208lbs around 10-11% BF when I started. (still 5-08 LOL)Just walking upstairs I get out of breath is this normal cause of the weight gain/ water. I'm just lost at this point. Only thing I'm sure of is my dick is my best friend and I'm strong as hell. LOL Any help is appreciated. THANKS

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macrophage69alpha
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posted April 04, 2000 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for macrophage69alpha   Click Here to Email macrophage69alpha     Edit/Delete Message
here is some info on how to lower your blood pressure

Dietary changes that may be helpful: Primitive societies exposed to very little salt suffer from little or no hypertension.1 Salt intake has also been definitively linked to hypertension in western societies.2 Eliminating salt from the diet lowers blood pressure in most people.3 An overview of the best studies found that the more salt is restricted, the greater the blood pressure-lowering effect.4 Individual studies sometimes come to differing conclusions about the relationship between salt intake and blood pressure, in part because blood pressure-lowering effects of salt restriction vary from person to person, and small to moderate reductions in salt intake often have minimal effects on blood pressure. Nonetheless, dramatic reductions in salt intake are generally effective for many people with hypertension.

With the prevalence of salted processed and restaurant food, simply avoiding the salt shaker no longer leads to large decreases in salt intake for most people. Totally eliminating salt is more effective, but is also quite difficult to achieve. Moreover, whereas an overview of the research has reported �There is no evidence that sodium reduction as achieved in these trials presents any safety hazards,�5 reports of short-term paradoxical increases in blood pressure in response to salt restriction have occasionally appeared.6 Therefore, people wishing to use salt restriction to lower their blood pressure should consult with a nutritionally oriented doctor.

Vegetarian diets have been reported to significantly lower blood pressure.7 This occurs partly because fruits and vegetables contain potassium�a known blood pressure-lowering mineral.8 The best way to supplement potassium is with fruit, which contains more of the mineral than amounts found in potassium supplements. However, fruit contains so much potassium that people taking �potassium sparing� drugs (as some hypertensives do) can end up with too much potassium by eating several pieces of fruit per day. Therefore, people taking potassium sparing diuretics should consult the prescribing doctor before increasing fruit intake. The fibre provided by vegetarian diets may also help reduce high blood pressure.9 In the Dietary Approaches to Stop Hypertension (DASH) trial, increasing intake of fruits and vegetables (and therefore fibre) and reducing cholesterol and dairy fat led to large reductions in blood pressure (in medical terms, 11.4 systolic and 5.5 diastolic) in just eight weeks.10 Even though it did not employ a vegetarian diet itself, the outcome of the DASH trial supports the usefulness of vegetarian diets because diets employed by DASH researchers were related to what many vegetarians eat. The DASH trial also showed that blood pressure can be significantly reduced in hypertensive people (most dramatically in African Americans) with diet alone without weight loss or even restriction of salt.11

Sugar has been reported to increase blood pressure in both animals12 and humans.13 Though the real importance of this experimental effect remains somewhat unclear,14 some nutritionally oriented doctors recommend that people with high blood pressure cut back on their intake of sugar.

Shortly after consuming caffeine, blood pressure increases.15 In a review of eleven trials lasting almost two months on average, coffee drinking led to increased blood pressure, though these increases were typically small to moderate.16 Nonetheless, the effects of long-term avoidance of caffeine (from coffee, tea, chocolate, cola drinks, and some medications) on blood pressure remain unclear. In fact, a few reports claim that long-term coffee drinkers have lower blood pressure than those who avoid coffee.17 On the basis of the two-month intervention trials, many nutritionally oriented doctors tell people with high blood pressure to avoid caffeine-containing food and drink despite the lack of clarity in published research.

Food allergy was reported to contribute to high blood pressure in a study of people who had migraine headaches.18 In that report, all fifteen people who also had high blood pressure experienced a significant drop in blood pressure when put on a hypoallergenic diet. People suspecting food allergies should check with a nutritionally oriented doctor.

Exposure to lead and other heavy metals has also been linked to high blood pressure in some,19 but not all, research.20 If other approaches to high blood pressure prove unsuccessful, it makes sense for people with hypertension to have their body�s burden of lead evaluated by a healthcare professional.

Lifestyle changes that may be helpful: Smoking is particularly injurious for people with hypertension.21 The combination of hypertension and smoking greatly increases the risk of heart disease-related sickness and death. All people with high blood pressure need to quit smoking.

Many studies have found a relationship between alcohol consumption and blood pressure. A recent review of the research reported that above the equivalent of approximately three drinks per day, blood pressure increases in proportion to the amount of alcohol consumed.22 Whether one or two drinks per day meaningfully increases blood pressure remains unclear.

Nutritional supplements that may be helpful: Calcium supplementation�typically 800�1,500 mg per day�lowers blood pressure. However, while an analysis of forty-two trials reported that calcium supplementation led to an average drop in blood pressure that was highly statistically significant, the decrease was not large enough to meaningfully improve health (in medical terms, a drop of 1.4 systolic over 0.8 diastolic pressure).37 Results would likely be better were analysis limited only to studies of hypertensive people, because calcium has little if any effect on those with normal blood pressure. In the analysis of forty-two trials, effects were seen both with dietary calcium and with use of calcium supplements. Although average decreases in blood pressure from calcium are clearly small, each person responds differently. Some evidence suggests that people with hypertension whose blood pressure is affected most by changes in salt intake respond best to calcium supplementation.38 A twelve-week trial of 1,000 mg per day of calcium accompanied by blood pressure monitoring is a reasonable way to assess efficacy in a given individual.

Some,39 but not all,40 studies show that magnesium supplements�typically 350�500 mg per day�lower blood pressure. Magnesium appears to be particularly effective in people who are taking potassium depleting diuretics.41 As so-called �potassium depleting� diuretics also deplete magnesium, the drop in blood pressure resulting from magnesium supplementation in people taking these drugs may result from overcoming a mild magnesium deficiency.

Vitamin C plays an important role in maintaining the health of arteries.42 A review of vitamin C research reported that most studies linked increased blood and dietary levels of the vitamin to reduced blood pressure.43 However, these links might result from diets high in fruit and vegetables rather than from vitamin C itself. The same review reported that blood pressure was reduced in all four double blind trials examining the effects of vitamin C, but the reduction was statistically significant in only two of the four, and in some cases reductions were quite modest. Nonetheless, some nutritionally oriented doctors recommend that people with elevated blood pressure supplement with 1,000 mg vitamin C per day.

Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) has been reported to affect blood vessels in a way that should cause a decrease in blood pressure.44 Both uncontrolled45 46 47 and controlled trials have reported that CoQ10 significantly lowers blood pressure in people with hypertension.48 All trials used at least 50 mg of CoQ10 taken twice per day, and most trials lasted for at least ten weeks.

EPA and DHA, the omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil, lower blood pressure, according to a meta-analysis of thirty-one trials.49 That analysis found the effect was dependent on the amount of omega-3 oil used, with the best results occurring in studies using extremely high intakes (15 grams per day). To obtain 15 grams of omega-3 typically requires consumption of 50 grams of fish oil�an unsustainably high amount. Although results with lower intakes were not as impressive, studies using over 3 grams of omega-3 (generally requiring at least 10 grams of fish oil, or ten 1,000 mg pills per day) also reported significant reduction in blood pressure.

A deficiency of the amino acid taurine is thought by some researchers to play an important role in elevating blood pressure in people with hypertension.50 Limited taurine research has found that supplementation lowers blood pressure in animals51 and people (at 6 grams per day),52 possibly by reducing levels of the hormone epinephrine (adrenaline).

Animal and preliminary human research has suggested that the fibre-like supplement chitosan may prevent blood pressure-elevating effects of salt, possibly by reducing absorption of chloride. A small study showed that 5 grams of chitosan taken by men with a highly salted meal resulted in no elevation in blood pressure, while the same meal without chitosan significantly elevated systolic blood pressure.53

The amino acid arginine is needed by the body to make nitric oxide, a substance that allows blood vessels to dilate, thus leading to reduced blood pressure. As a result, intravenous administration of arginine has reduced blood pressure in humans in some reports.54 Most research has not used oral arginine, but in one such trial, the combination of arginine (2 grams taken three times per day) plus conventional drugs used to treat hypertension was significantly more effective than placebo alone in patients who previously did not respond to the same drugs taken without arginine.55

Are there any side effects or interactions? Refer to the individual supplement for information about any side effects or interactions.

Herbs that may be helpful: Garlic lowers blood pressure, according to a meta-analysis that included ten double blind studies.56 All of these trials administered garlic for at least four weeks, typically using 600�900 mg of garlic extract per day. In those trials limited to people with hypertension, the average blood pressure-lowering effect was highly clinically significant.

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Mr. Nobody
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posted April 05, 2000 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr. Nobody     Edit/Delete Message
Are you nervous at the doctor office, I am. So buy yourself a BP cuff and do it yourself at home, a couple of times a day in the beginning, also if you have large arms and the doctor squeezes the cuff on you, you get wrong readings, believe it or not, my former doctor did that to me and had me in tears, mine was 220/120 at one point, i was ready to kill myself. So get yourself a cuff and do it at home, buy the obese cuff, if you are big

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Mr. Nobody
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posted April 05, 2000 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mr. Nobody     Edit/Delete Message
Mine is 130-150/80-95, which is ok at 300lbs

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LEGEND
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted April 05, 2000 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEGEND     Edit/Delete Message
last year my bp was a little high also, my doc is cool he doesn't like what i do but he makes sure i'm doing the right things with it. last year he told me to increase my cardio , so i did and for 14 weeks that i was on my bp was good(just a little high) but nothing dangerous. and i also get nervous at the doc office and that contributes to it. avoid sodium as much as possible also. thers no need to add salt to anything , almost everything has salt in it already. good luck keep posting

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matty
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posted April 05, 2000 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for matty   Click Here to Email matty     Edit/Delete Message
IM HAVING A SIMILAR HELL CYCLE WITH WINNY-V AT 200MGS A WEEK, IT MAKES MY BP GO UP AFTER I SHOOT AND EVEN MAKES MY EYES REAL GLASSY AND BLURRY SOMETIMES!
ALSO FOR SOME REASON IT SCREWED UP MY INSULIN/BLOOD SUGAR LEVELS IN WEEK 4 AND IM GONNA SHIT CAN IT!

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Phucking Hungry
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted April 06, 2000 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Phucking Hungry   Click Here to Email Phucking Hungry     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the replies. I get glossy eyes and blurred vision also. Big time even get a buzzed type felling sometimes after a inject. So I can relate Matty! I have not done any other injects skipped Mon. and my BP seems pretty good but still getting shortness of breath and pulpatations(i'm sure thats spelled wrong oh well you know what I mean) By the way all those readings I posted was using a home BP cuff.Should I taper off in a week with just a small amount of the T-2 or say shit can the whole deal??? Thanks for all the advice!!

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