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SCHNiKEN
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 54)
posted April 02, 2000 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SCHNiKEN   Click Here to Email SCHNiKEN     Edit/Delete Message
Hey everyone.. I am about to start another cycle after trying to loose some wieght. I now weigh 205 im trying to get down to 195 at least and im around 15 16 percent bodyfat. Its only my second cycle and i am only 19. I have read all the warnings and know what im getting into. My first cycle was testosterona 200 because of how cheap it is and effective. This time around i am thinking of doing ONLY sustanon. I am thinking of also doing only 250 a week because of my age trying not to mess stuff up more then i have to. What i was wondering is what i could take after besides clen t3 or dnp to cut up. I would take clen but i really am kinda scared to mess with dnp for obvious reasons and t3 i just dont feel like messing with my thyroid yet. Well anyway im wondering if it would be any type of realistic way of me getting down to 10 percent bodyfat by the end of this cycle. I have heard different opinion that sus will burn some fat but others say it will do nothing. The main question is:

250 mg of sus a week.. clomid eod throughout.. and then possibly clen for two weeks after.. all this at starting at about 200 pounds at 15 16 pecent bodyfat. How can i and is it reasonable to think that i can get down to 10 percent after this cycle? Any help will be greatly appreciated thank you very much..

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THESAINT
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted April 02, 2000 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for THESAINT   Click Here to Email THESAINT     Edit/Delete Message
NO PROBLEM. STAY AWAY FROM THE DNP ETC.
TAKE AN E/C/A STACK, DO YOUR CARDIO
FIRST THING IN THE MORNING AND WATCH YOUR
DIET.

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Rich1
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted April 02, 2000 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rich1     Edit/Delete Message
The saint is right, cardio, diet, ECA, you should get there, the sus might be waste of money if your only using 250 mg a week.DO NOT use the DNP, that stuff is night mare from Dan D.I have heard nothing but bad news about it. New to the board, but not dumb either.

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SCHNiKEN
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted April 02, 2000 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SCHNiKEN   Click Here to Email SCHNiKEN     Edit/Delete Message
Does anyone else have an opinion on wasting money if i only do 250 a week. Has anyone ever done that b4.. keep in mind im 19 and this is only my second cycle.

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A-mass
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posted April 02, 2000 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for A-mass     Edit/Delete Message
Go the UG documents site and read up on animabolics. It works wonders especially if you are trying to lose weight and keep muscle.

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Joseph_stalin
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posted April 02, 2000 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joseph_stalin   Click Here to Email Joseph_stalin     Edit/Delete Message

a cycle of a low dose of test will burn more fat than a low-fat diet.

so 250 mg will probably burn fat but not build much muscle.

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Pops
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posted April 02, 2000 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pops   Click Here to Email Pops     Edit/Delete Message
Dude, you WILL DEFINETELY see results at 250mg of sostenon per week yes, you will also shed fat because of it. i agree, do the e/c/a stack and MOST IMPORTATLY, watch your diet. cut out ALL processed sugars, and increase your protiens and complex carbs. stay away from fried foods of course. Diet is everything to losig weight, really no secrets. make sure you get some clomid and h.c.g for yourstack as you are gonna need it.
-Pops

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GUNSG
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posted April 02, 2000 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GUNSG   Click Here to Email GUNSG     Edit/Delete Message
My experience with sust is 500 a week is needed for good gains but it is not to much.

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ROOK
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted April 03, 2000 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ROOK     Edit/Delete Message
OK, first of all I'd like to say way to go to all the people that bashed DNP. It's not the killer that everyone has made it out to be. The only way that it really hurts or could kill someone is because of dehydration, low blood sugar level(diabetic), and a major over-dose. Hello, just use your common sense & do a little research. I'm on my second cycle of DNP now and I love it. I am burning fat like a MOFO! I'm taking 500mgs a day(in divided doses) on the 36 hour time scale. The only side effects are that I sweat. Yoohoo, big f'in deal. Just take some vitamns, glycerol, pyruvate, and everythng is great. Don't bash it if you haven't tried it!

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Rich1
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted April 03, 2000 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rich1     Edit/Delete Message
At eight% body fat I don't see why I would want DNP, maybe some more study is needed, but I think I'd rather drink gasoline then mess with DNP. There is a reason the stuff was pulled off the market. So heads up, especially if all this guy wants to loose is ten pounds.

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giantset
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted April 03, 2000 01:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for giantset   Click Here to Email giantset     Edit/Delete Message
You guys sound like the media talking about roids when you talk about DNP. All ignorance and no experience. Do some real research on it and wade through all of the bullshit that comes with the advice of the ignorant. If you read actual studies on DNP you will see that there is very little risk when an informed person uses it. Many of the deaths involved with DNP were not related to dieting but from people inhaling it when working with it or around it. These deaths were mainly from dehydration. Keep it in the 4 to 6mg/lb and take the recommended supplements and you will do fine. I have done 6 cycles of DNP and have not experienced any side effects except sweating and major fat loss. Take what you like but don't spread malicious rumors about things you know little to nothing about.

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SCHNiKEN
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted April 03, 2000 01:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SCHNiKEN   Click Here to Email SCHNiKEN     Edit/Delete Message
Ok thanx everyone but forgetting about dnp i would like to know what i should do about this 250 or 500 a week. I was thinking of going with maybe somthing like:

250
250
500
500
500
500
250
250

with clomid eod

How do you think that would do on a 15 percent bodyfat of 200 pounds. Keeping in mind im 19 and it only my second small cycle.

Thanx everyone

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Painkiller
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted April 03, 2000 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Painkiller   Click Here to Email Painkiller     Edit/Delete Message
Start high on sust, then taper down if u do a heavy cycle.
500mg/weeek for 7 weeks. One week with 250mg.
Clomid eod during cycle and clomid ed 3 weeks after your cycle.
For cutting up, I have gotten great results by following this cycle:
week1-2:clen
week3-4:eca
repeat if neccesary.

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silent trigger
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted April 03, 2000 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silent trigger   Click Here to Email silent trigger     Edit/Delete Message
Becouse of your age 250 mg a week will give you some good gains stacked with some d-bol. keep in mind that sust can stay active in you system for up to 14 days. I am currently using 250 a week with d-bol and have added approx 10 pounds in a month ( good quality muscle). Not diagreeing with the fact that 500 mg will also give you good gains but more is not always better,(water weight, gyno) if you are getting good gains with 250 stick with it and save your money. as far as dnp, I cannot comment on that I have never used the stuff.

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Texas Guns
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posted April 03, 2000 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Texas Guns   Click Here to Email Texas Guns     Edit/Delete Message
I would not cycle up on sust, but start at a high dosage and taper down. Also, I was under the impression that the sust would add size for a bulking cycle, not help cut you up. Winstol may be a better choice. As mother hen of the board, since you are only 19, may I suggest MILK!!!!!! It does a body good!!!

Mrs. TG

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THESAINT
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted April 03, 2000 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for THESAINT   Click Here to Email THESAINT     Edit/Delete Message
TO ROOK AND GIANTSET. WHO SAID I HAVEN'T
TRIED DNP. HE'S 19yo, MY SUGGESTION IS
NOT TO USE IT. YOU CAN GET AS GOOD OR
BETTER RESULTS WITH E/C/A/,DIET AND CARDIO.
MAYBE IT TAKES ALITTLE MORE WORK AND
COMMITMENT THAN DNP, BUT I GUESS THAT'S
WHY SOME PEOPLE USE DNP.AT 19 I SUGGEST,
DO THE WORK-REAP THE GAINS.

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airtyme
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted April 03, 2000 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for airtyme   Click Here to Email airtyme     Edit/Delete Message
Actually250 mg of sust is not as low as it seems. Sust has four active ingrediants in it and remains in your system for 4 weeks. For example: Week 1 you take a 1cc for 250 mgs. Week 2 you take another cc of 250mgs. You still have aproxiamately 220mg left from week 1 because only the proprinate of 30mgs has dissapated. This means you have about 470mgs of test in your system. week 3 another 1cc shot. That gives you 250mg plus 220 from week 2 plus about 100 from week on left. This is a total of 570mg of test. You get the point. Granted, you should go higher if you have the means, but if not, it is a better cycle than most people realize.

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