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 IF YOU COULD do it all over again...HELP!
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jettstream Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 89) |
posted March 27, 2000 06:17 PM
   bros, i'm having a tough time here deciding what to do...i need some OPINION IF YOU COULD DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN, realistically, what cycle would you start with? would it be just one AS or would you stack it? would you use TEST? i'm having some trouble deciding over nor200 sus250 and dbol, i have a cycle ready for sus/dbol, but am considering getting deca to stack with it...BUT now i'm considering getting the deca and JUST using that b/c i'm a newbie...PLEASE HELP I'M GOING CRAZY WITH THESE DECISIONS... so if YOU COULD TURN BACK TIME AND HELP YOURSELF what would you do? thanks! ------------------ ==JeTTsTreaM IP: Logged |
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E2 Moderator (Total posts: 1733) |
posted March 27, 2000 06:37 PM
good newbie cycle
clomid 100mg.day as well clomid eod during whole cycle, the deca shot once a week the sust shot every 3 days, and the dbol take EVERY 4 HOURS including nightime. IP: Logged |
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jettstream Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 89) |
posted March 27, 2000 08:06 PM
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2Thick Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 914) |
posted March 27, 2000 08:18 PM
I wold like to disagree with "Captain Insane-o"...I mean E2. That is way too harsh for a newbie. I would recommend a cycle like this for a hardcore newbie: code: Or better yet, I would do 400mg/week of Primo for 8 weeks. It will give great results no sides and permanent weight.
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A-mass Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 315) |
posted March 27, 2000 08:38 PM
I gotta put my vote on E2's side here. With all that Clomid, it doesn't matter that those are moderately high newbie dosages. ------------------ the alpha male IP: Logged |
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the truth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 251) |
posted March 27, 2000 09:36 PM
They're both good cycles. It all depends on what you want to do. Jettstream, to answer part of your question, my first cycle was Deca only. If I had it to do over, I would add test. IP: Logged |
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DianaBallBusta Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 476) |
posted March 27, 2000 09:48 PM
I'm with 2Thick on this one. I really don't think 750mg of sust for a first cycle is necessary. I know you guys theory about blasting your receptors early on your first cycle cuz its your first cycle and you will make the most gains. He would see excellent results with just the deca/dbol and save the test for another cycle....but I know how most of you bros feel about that too...test is best for first cycle. I would rather do a deca only cycle...or 2Thicks primo only cycle and end up keeping solid gains. IMHO. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1036) |
posted March 27, 2000 10:04 PM
CAPTAIN INSANE-O (E2) AND EL DUCHE' MACRO ARE ON THE SAME PAGE I understand 2thicks approach, and there is some validity to it, however I am a big fan of the original- TESTOSTERONE. with the proper accessory drugs it will have LESS side effects than a Deca/Dbol cycle. For those that are younger 18-20 an anabolics only cycle may be a better starting place, however even then when they are at the peak of their test production- I do not see how extra test is such a bad thing. basically there are two camps for the two issues- (MP and E2)test v. anabolics(2thick and primo57), (MP and E2) start high v. start low (2thick and primo57)- you just have to pick one and go with it- that the best advice that I can give. remember that everyone is different, to one extant or another, so what is best for someone else may be horrible or disappointing for you. BTW- there are a lot of proponents/opponents of these various approaches- I was just trying to show the most vocal as representative- special shout out to SAINT, STALIN and WAR LOBO- if I am forgetting anyone(I am sure that I am)- sorry I have androgen induced memory loss. PEACE ------------------ IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1036) |
posted March 27, 2000 10:09 PM
WHOOPS! I thought this was a 2thick original but the start high issue is still on target BTW- I saw your little PRIMO plug at the end of your post- you know while primo57 is on vacation I am sure he would not mind if you borrowed his name.hehehe ------------------ IP: Logged |
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MattTheSkywalker Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 472) |
posted March 27, 2000 10:19 PM
In your first cycle, your test receptors are most sensitive. Therefore, hitting them "hard" (750/wk) will yield more gains now than if you do it in a future cycle. You will gain from 500/wk, certainly, but this is a chance to maximize your gains - and test is what will give you the gains you seek. I'm in the E2 camp I guess. Matt IP: Logged |
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Dutch Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 89) |
posted March 27, 2000 10:26 PM
If diet and training are in order, they will both work. A friend of mine does two cycles a year.. 400 mg primo a week gains about 7 kg and keeps them all !! no side effects. The guy is huge.. I am with 2thick on this one.. Dutch IP: Logged |
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dahmer Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 36) |
posted March 27, 2000 10:54 PM
Holy shit!!! My head is spinning!!! I was going to use E2's cycle as my first, but Now I have no clue. Blasting receptors sounds great, but is it necessary. I am throwing my ideas of a quick win cutting cycle out the window, but what is the general consensus here?? Blast the receptors on the first cycle or take it easy with some primo and deca?? I would love to put on some serious size on my first cycle, but I would also like to keep as much as possible. IP: Logged |
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UnrealBody Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 8) |
posted March 27, 2000 11:01 PM
Hey I'm new too and I think you should be careful about the d-bol. It can really mess up your liver. I think the best cycle should contain test. I suggest deca and sust. I think your gains will be great without major side effects. Check with someone more experienced for dosages. I'll have to check on the primo. Let me know what you end up doing IP: Logged |
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young1 Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 63) |
posted March 27, 2000 11:05 PM
Just go with deca and some test bro. No leave the stacks for future cycs. Good luck! Young1 IP: Logged |
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jettstream Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 89) |
posted March 28, 2000 02:56 AM
Thanks for all your help. ..still confused.. jeTT IP: Logged |
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Gobler Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 170) |
posted March 28, 2000 03:27 AM
Here my question. If everybody reacts different to gear their first time. why would you want to blast those receptors right off the bat? Until one has experimented with gear they dont know how they will react. Some people get huge gains off of just 250 of sust a week their first cycle. Some people are so prone to gyno that they get it even while taking clomid. Some peole are so prone to acne they wont touch test. Ive also read that if you take to much it doesnt improve gains but just the strain on liver and body. It seems to me that the only guys telling the newbies to take these mass dosages are veterans that have to take higher amounts and have been taking them ahwile and are really intuned to their own bodies. In sense recomending somethin more along the lines of their own needs and goals. Wouldnt it be wiser to start at a moderate level then see how one reacts and make adjustments from there. Usually when a doctor prescribes a first time antibotic to a patient he starts them on a low to medium dosage as apposed to saying (hell, Lets really hit that inflamation! I want you to take 2000mgs of motrin for the next 4 months). IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1036) |
posted March 28, 2000 03:49 AM
while I agree with gobler in theory he makes at least one statment thatis just plain untrue- there are some other holes in his argument but those are really a matter or prference and opinion. HERE WE ARE WITH THE BIG UNTRUTH- NOT JUST GOBLERS #1 increased levels of steroids will not make you bigger and will only put additional strain on your liver and kidneys- this is false.- I will not go into why- I think it has been more than hashed and rehashed in ealier posts and commentaries. I do agree that people know themselves and how they react better after a couple of cycles, however with the proper accessories drugs and high levels of TEST, even a novice who knows little or nothing of their bodies reactions to gear- aside from lifting experience and puberty- is not going to have any problems that cannot be entirely mediated with the use of those accesories. PEACE ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Painkiller Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 47) |
posted March 28, 2000 07:38 AM
try test and primo. It worked great for me. IP: Logged |
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Gigante' Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 6) |
posted March 28, 2000 11:07 AM
Gotta agree w/ Painkiller... short and to the point. Testo and Primo work well. My personal experience w/ deca was good but the sides played games w/ my love life for a month after. Clomid EOD couldn't even stop my "boys" from looking like BB's. Deca as a last resort from now on. Sust and Primo next go-round. ------ IP: Logged |
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THESAINT Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 210) |
posted March 28, 2000 11:22 AM
ALOT OF GOOD POSTS HERE.EVERYBODY REACTS DIFFERENTLY TO DIFFERENT A/S. AND DIFFERENT A/S HAVE DIFFERENT PURPOSES i.e. FATLOSS AND LESS WATER RETENSION (CUTTING CYCLE) MASS GAIN (BULKING CYCLE) BUT IF YOU ALREADY HAVE SUST.,DECA AND D-BOL, YOU HAVE A GOOD STARTING CYCLE RIGHT THERE. GO WITH E2's CYCLE. HIT IT HARD. IP: Logged |
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jettstream Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 89) |
posted March 28, 2000 12:50 PM
I don't have deca just yet, my source fell through so i could only get t200. so i have t200 dbol and omna250 i'm still considering getting the deca though... jeTT IP: Logged |
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big_guy1 Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 577) |
posted March 28, 2000 12:53 PM
hey..I use definately use testo again..with omna(the old formula) I gained 35 lbs the first cycle..it was great....I kept most of it, till I got really sick, and couldn't hit the gym for awhile...anyway, iwould hit testo, maybe add d-bol for the first cycle...I would also take clomid throughout my cycle.... big-guy IP: Logged |
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E2 Moderator (Total posts: 1733) |
posted March 28, 2000 12:59 PM
It's funny, i was going to post a stronger cycle, but i toned it down. I would add some winny to that cycle as soon as you stop the dbol at about 300-450 a week, and i'd up the test to 750 most of the way through, but hey that's just ME! You can't go wrong with test, everyone is going to grow off test, you can't take test and not grow it's just not going to happen. Guys there is no feeling like 1gm+ of test running though your body. CAPTAIN INSANE-O IP: Logged |
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The Ranger Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 524) |
posted March 28, 2000 01:04 PM
I guess I'll throw my hat in the ring with Captain Insane-O...heh heh...good one 2Thick!! First if you don't know your body, and it's potential...you need to take a hard look at it...are you prone to acne...etc! Second....What are your goals? As much mass as possible? Or are you one of those...8lbs in 8 weeks. Third...If your prone to gyno, and don't know.....have Nolvadex on hand. Fourth.....I believe in hitting it hard from the start....but, you need to research your body, and your goals before you make any descion....My personal thoughts are...if your gonna do it....do it full balls....until they shrink...heh heh!! Ranger IP: Logged |
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jettstream Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 89) |
posted March 28, 2000 01:53 PM
RANGER! great to see you back man!!! thanks for the help guys!! e2 i'll be in touch regarding winny.... would winny/or eq. add some serious hardness to my muscles at the end? just a thought IP: Logged |
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E2 Moderator (Total posts: 1733) |
posted March 28, 2000 02:02 PM
Yes it will harden you up, as well as start you down the road to your cutting part, right after the cycle, as well it's an antiprogesterone to help battle that deca.  IP: Logged |
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