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matty
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted March 27, 2000 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for matty   Click Here to Email matty     Edit/Delete Message
what is the most fastest way to burn excess fat from the body rapidly???

this is my routine:
winstrol-v 1cc eod
xenadrine 1cap 3x per day
protein 200gms per day
cardio everymorning 1hr, 2miles jog. 3miles walking fast, then weight training 2 body parts.
total 5 days per week...

my problem is that its doesent seem to be burning my excess fat!
help!!

seeyaatthegym!

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matty
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted March 27, 2000 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for matty   Click Here to Email matty     Edit/Delete Message
also my diet is a low fat low carb high protein!
what am i doing wrong??? i see no effects from the winstrol or the mega cardio im doing!

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jettstream
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted March 27, 2000 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jettstream   Click Here to Email jettstream     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 17940709
liposuction


KEEP PERSISTANT with your lowcarb ONE DAY can fuck you up!!

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MattTheSkywalker
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted March 27, 2000 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MattTheSkywalker   Click Here to Email MattTheSkywalker     Edit/Delete Message
If you are REALLY eating low carb, and doing all of that cardio, the fat will go away.

Matt

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matty
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted March 27, 2000 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for matty   Click Here to Email matty     Edit/Delete Message
one day of what can fuck u up?
E L A B O R A T E !

one day of eating carbs????

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matty
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 89)
posted March 27, 2000 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for matty   Click Here to Email matty     Edit/Delete Message
once the fat goes your left with saggy ass skin?
how do you tighten that back up?

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Tueros
Amateur Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 18)
posted March 27, 2000 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tueros   Click Here to Email Tueros     Edit/Delete Message
No need to keep your fat intake too low - at least not below 20% of calories. Try to stick to "good" fats too.

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cheeman
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted March 27, 2000 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cheeman     Edit/Delete Message
matty i think im doing the same cycle as you. Im starting my 3rd week of winny at 1cc eod. today i finally noticed strength increases. as far as fat loss i have been doing 30-45 min cardio 6 days/week and my diet is also low fat very low carbs and high protein. i seem to be getting more cuts in my arms not much difference in the midsection. however i do feel very hard and my vascularity has increased.

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matty
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posted March 27, 2000 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for matty   Click Here to Email matty     Edit/Delete Message
cheeman, im on week 3 also and havent noticed anything except increase in energy in workouts thats it no hardness no vascularity at all, im starting to wonder if this winny is fake!
there was a link in a post a while ago about batch # checks but i cant find it, id like to ckeck this winny-v by upjohn...

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dude
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted March 27, 2000 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dude     Edit/Delete Message
Depending on your weight I would use 2 caps of xenadrine 3xday. If you are over 200lbs.

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Behemoth
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted March 27, 2000 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Behemoth     Edit/Delete Message
That is not a high protein diet. 700-800gms is a high protein diet.

If you really want to lose weight fast have a gander at this baby ! :-

Eat broccoli 4 times a day
Drink 8 Ltrs of water
Have a teaspoon of olive oil
Take 15gms of L-Glutamine
Take 400mg of DNP
Take 6IU GH
Take 600mg Primo Depot
Take 200mg Test Prop'
1 Ionamine Tab
75 mcgs of T3
300 mcgs of T4
50ml glycerine in a pint of water before bed
2x 375mg aminoglutamide (2days on 2 days off)
5g Vit C
60mg Tamoxifen Citrate
30 mins brisk walking with 120mcgs T5
And a good multivit,
Did I miss anything !!

(REF: The Govenor Magazine - Biohazard)

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cjac1
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted March 28, 2000 05:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cjac1   Click Here to Email cjac1     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 30896181
DNP

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matty
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted March 28, 2000 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for matty   Click Here to Email matty     Edit/Delete Message
not "lose weight"...
lose fat!!
should i add another steroid?

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ectomorph
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted March 28, 2000 10:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ectomorph   Click Here to Email ectomorph     Edit/Delete Message
first off DO NOT USE DNP. i'd rather use 1000mcg a day of cytomel for 20 weeks first.
Geez, Duchaine says it and the masses followed.. Anyway, Behemoth is right a/b the protien. if yo0u weigh 200lbs or more you need at least 350-500gms a day. And don't go
NO carbs, just low carbs 150gms a day spread out, and every fifth day carb up to about 350gms to pump that metabolism up. The loose skin youre getting is from fat/muscle loss. your calories are too low so youre losin aroun 50/50 of each...

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Pain is Weakness Leaving the Body

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macrophage69alpha
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posted March 28, 2000 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for macrophage69alpha   Click Here to Email macrophage69alpha     Edit/Delete Message
ECTOMORPH
that is an interesting approach
I am quite sure that 1000mcg of cytomel
would be lethal even over a short period of time-probably the first day or two- who knows you might even survive for a whole week


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el cubano
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posted March 28, 2000 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for el cubano   Click Here to Email el cubano     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 61265596
In my opinion that's too much cardio and you'll lose muscle. First rule...the more muscle you have the faster your metabolism and the less fat you'll have. Just keep your diet clean, do cardio 3-4 times per week 30-45minutes per session and you'll see the weight come off! Also clen or dnp will work wonders!!!!

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THESAINT
Pro Bodybuilder
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posted March 28, 2000 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for THESAINT   Click Here to Email THESAINT     Edit/Delete Message
THANKS MACRO, SOME GUYS POST INFO THAT-IF TAKEN- COULD SERIOUSLY HURT SOMEONE.
REMEMBER BROS,ALWAYS DOUBLE CHECK YOUR INFO.
MATTY, CLICK ON ELITEFITNESS HOMEPAGE.
THERE'S AN ARTICLE ENTITLED PPA/HUMULIN R
CUTTING STACK. INTERESTING READING.

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matty
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted March 28, 2000 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for matty   Click Here to Email matty     Edit/Delete Message
thanks fellas!
but i thought if im doing winny-v ican do massive cardio, without lossing muscle? i mean im not lossing any lbs!
P.S.
whats cytomel? and at 175lbs should i add clen, and what would be the benifits w/clen?

seeyaatthegym!

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cjac1
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posted March 29, 2000 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cjac1   Click Here to Email cjac1     Edit/Delete Message UIN: 30896181
ECTOMORPH
That much T3 would put you in what's called a thyroid storm, you would die. People fear and bash what they don't understand. Just like the general public bashes gear. Oh ya, I used DNP before Dan ever mentioned it. General BB public is always a step behind until someone like Dan informs them.

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ROOK
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted March 29, 2000 01:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ROOK     Edit/Delete Message
Ecto has obviously never used DNP, or he would know that it is safer than some of the shit that people inject in their asses. If a person cycles it correctly and uses the correct doses, it can be fairly side effect free(except for the sweating). I used it with no problems, and so have many many others. Sorry to rant, but I am sick of people bashing DNP. It's the best fat burner I have ever used, and I will continue to use it.

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Keep it Pumpin'!

ROOK

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bigtbone
Amateur Bodybuilder
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posted March 29, 2000 01:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bigtbone   Click Here to Email bigtbone     Edit/Delete Message
Maybe I misunderstood you, but don't do cardio right before you train with weights. You'll deplete your glycogen stores on the cardio and having nothing to lift heavy iron. Also, make sure you cycle up and down with your daily caloric intake. Don't eat the same amount of calories every day, your metabolism will just adjust by slowing down. Go for weekly totals instead of daily totals.

--bigtbone

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macrophage69alpha
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posted March 29, 2000 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for macrophage69alpha   Click Here to Email macrophage69alpha     Edit/Delete Message
something of this nature could be of considerable help

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MP

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grosso
Pro Bodybuilder
(Total posts: 126)
posted March 29, 2000 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for grosso     Edit/Delete Message
The answer is ECA stack :
20/25 mgs ephedrine
200/250 mgs caffeine
325mgs asprin

Here is an interesting article on this subject , but you can also make a search for ECA and you will find very interesting posts.

ECA Stack/ EPHEDRINE
by Brooks "Supplement GOD"
Check out his other articles here

Up until last year, ephedrine was easily available over-the-counter until reports of death attributed to ephedrine started to pour into the FDA. It should be
noted as an interesting side-note that the
death toll of ephedrine started to rise as
soon as mahuang, another botanical version of ephedrine, was placed in so-called "Herbal
Extacy" preparations. Some autopsies have
reported the equivalent dosage of mahuang to
be in the high 500mg range for a number of
teenagers. When one considers that the dosage for a 200 pound man is roughly 25mg, it
appears that ephedrine acts just like any drug i.e. if you take too much, you will get
injured.
Toxicology reports even classify ephedrine in
a safer bracket than aspirin and ibuprofen,
yet the media hardly denounces these
substances even though they are attributed to
a proportionately larger death toll. It is
the opinion of the author that the FDA wants
to take ephedrine from the market because it is impossible for a pharmaceutical company to lay a patent on it, and therefore, stands to
lose money from its sale. By seeking a restriction to ephedrine, which the I believe to be the safest, most effective, most
economical fat-loss supplement in the world,
the FDA is making a grave mistake and could be playing a powerful ally to the pharmaceuticals. It stands to reason that the
pharmaceutical giants want to sell their own diet products instead of encouraging the use
of an over-the-counter medicine. For more
information, search Medline for toxicology
reports on ephedrine compared to the more famous diet drugs such as dexfenfluramine,
phentermine, etc. Compare sales figures, toxicology studies, and number of studies for
each "medicine" and it is blatantly clear why
ephedrine is one of the most hated drugs of
the pharmaceutical world. Now that the
politics of ephedrine have been addressed, it
is more important to highlight the effects of ephedrine and it's derivatives so the capable consumer can make the decision for himself or
herself. Please keep an open mind and make a
decision only after doing your own research.
It is almost a crime to believe in things
that someone tells you just because you are
too lazy to research the information yourself.

Ephedrine is a beta-adrenergic agonist that effects the CNS (central nervous system)
through the release of epinephrine and the
attachment to the beta 1 and 2 receptors (if we find a true beta-3, we will have cured
obesity IMHO). It has long been regarded as a fairly potent thermogenic (fat burning) compound, but it was found to be extremely
effective when combined with caffeine.
Caffeine by itself is widely known as a thermogenic which directly effects lipolysis (the breakdown of fatty acid), but it doesn't even come close to ephedrine. When the two
are taken haphazardly (taken together), their thermogenic qualities are additive: one plus one equals two; however, when they are taken in a specific ration of 1:10
ephedrine/caffeine, the results are supra-additive. This ratio, 20 mg of
ephedrine and 200mg of caffeine, combine into a thermogenic cocktail equal to one plus one
equals three. When aspirin is added, the stack becomes even more potent since the
blood now mildly thins.

Other than burning fat, the
ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin stack has also
been shown to have nutrient partitioning effects. In other words, it spares lean
muscle while dieting, a problem that plagues most dieters that don't exercise regularly. In animals fed the stack in the ratios above, the same growth was obtained on a 20% lower energy intake but gained 10% more muscle and 30% less fat than the control animals.
In humans, the ephedrine/caffeine stack (this study was done without aspirin) was found to
be as effective as dexfenfluramine (a
fat-loss drug mentioned above) over a
15-week period.

Scientists are not quite sure how or why the E/C/A stack works the way it does.
Some theorize the stimulation of the beta-2 receptors and to a lesser degree the
beta-3's. It would make sense since rat tests show the injection of epinephrine spares
protein when under incredible stress. It
should be stated clearly that
ephedrine is a CNS and will give some users side-effects such as dizziness, headaches, jitters, and insomnia; however, many studies has shown the side-effects of ephedrine to only be experienced in a small slice of the participating subjects. Most if not all of the side-effects usually subside after a few days. Since some people will inevitably react harshly to the stack, there is something we can take to reduce the side-effects of ephedrine. The amino acid tyrosine is a primary constituent and building block for the production of epinephrine in the body. It has also been shown to increase the effects of ephedrine up to 50%. Therefore,
logically, one could cut the ephedrine dosage in half and substitute l-tyrosine (the 'l'
just stands for a synthetic version) and still get the same effects. Since tyrosine is
a fairly safe amino, the effects of the E/C/A stack would be reduced for those
susceptible to CNS stimulating agents.

Bottom Line: Add the E/C/A stack to your regime in order to cut up.
I recommend this stack for three reasons:
1) it will increase thermogenesis and gives me the energy to complete a grueling
workout on a low calorie diet.
2) the stack is anti-catabolic and will
reduce the amount of muscle lost when
calories are significantly lowered below
one's basal metabolic rate (BMR).
3) This is the best supplement one can choose if on a limited budget.

Take the stack for 3 weeks at a time weaning yourself on and off at the beginning and end of each cycle. Wait a month or two to let your receptors upregulate and continue the process until you reach your ideal condition.
Both Herbal Genesis and Xenadrine contains
the same ECA ratio the he is talking about!!!

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