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 Deca or Equipoise, which is more anabolic?
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Schirenc Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 2) |
posted March 27, 2000 04:35 PM
 
Forgive me if you find this question stupid, but which of those steroids are more anabolic at the same dose: Equipoise or Deca? 400mg of Deca better than 400mg of Equipoise? Which one retain less water? thanks for any help, IP: Logged |
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decibel Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 6) |
posted March 27, 2000 05:37 PM
it's not a stupid question, but most of these guys won't truthfully answer, they'll tell you to take testosterone. sorry, i don't know either. i don't have much experience with deca. IP: Logged |
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E2 Moderator (Total posts: 1717) |
posted March 27, 2000 06:28 PM
 Why have you chosen these two drugs??? IP: Logged |
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A-mass Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 315) |
posted March 27, 2000 08:22 PM
Bro, it's not like there are controlled medical studies going on measuring the anabolic properties of each AS. On top of that, even the uncontrolled 'studies' done by BB are hardly accurate because a lot of things contribute to the gains from a cycle, not just the gear you choose. So even anecdotal answers are pretty much worthless to this question. Plus how many guys do you know that do cycles of deca or EQ alone. Both of those AS are relatively low androgenics, and high anabolics. The average dosages on them are pretty much the same, too. Which one is more anabolic is going to differ from one person to the next, you gotta try them yourself and find out how it is for you. ------------------ the alpha male IP: Logged |
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The_Blond_Myth Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 114) |
posted March 28, 2000 02:09 AM
you won't notice a difference. LP IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1034) |
posted March 28, 2000 02:21 AM
actually there are at least several studies that compare the anabolic/androgenic ratios of various anabolics- I have not however seen one regarding boldenene undencyclenate, though I am sure that there is one. However I have seen some comparisons where there anabolic activity is rated as similar with equipoise be rated more androgenic- How much I cannot specify. DECA has progestenic effects that make it more effective with respect to fluid increases in the joints and increasing levels of IM - FAT. Equipoise supposedly mimics etiocholine which explains the slight feverish feeling that some get from EQ. ALL IN ALL THEY ARE RELATIVELY THE SAME- HOWEVER EQ SHOULD BE BETTER AT MAINTAINING SEXUAL FUNCTION AND WILL NOT RESULT IN PROGESTENIC GYNO- AS FAR AS I KNOW IT DOES NOT AROMATIZE INTO ESTROGEN EITHER ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Mudworx Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted March 28, 2000 02:28 AM
This question is best answered by examining the anabolic to androgenic ratios of both of the substances. Remember that this is the key variable that the clever lab scientists are trying to control when producing a substance with higher muscle building effects (wanted) with lower masculinising effects (unwanted). The anabolic to androgenic ratio of Deca is normally 6:1 with an active life-span of about 14-17 days. Equipoise has an anabolic to androgenic ratio of 13:1 with an active life-span of about 28 days. This means that Deca is almost twice as androgenic than Equipoise and exerts it's effects in about half the time and therefore Deca must be classified as the "stronger" drug. As we all know, it is the androgenic effects of a steroid that causes water retention so I would have to say that users of Deca would be more prone to retaining water. Peace! IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1034) |
posted March 28, 2000 03:06 AM
I would like to know where you got that data from- I have seen nothing that indicates that EQ is less androgenic than DECA- in fact all the literature that I have seen points exactly in the opposite direction- This is coupled with the fact that DECA is an active progestin- which offsets many of the positive aspects of it- at higher doses it will in most cases cause gyno even in the presence of anti estrogens. ALL that aside I would most certainly like to see the literature regarding both the half lives and the anabolic - androgenic ratios. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Mudworx Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted March 28, 2000 03:13 AM
All this data may be found in the most awesome steroid book I have ever read called Chemical Warfare! (published in the UK, yellow and black cover with skull and cross bones on the front) IP: Logged |
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macrophage69alpha Moderator (Total posts: 1034) |
posted March 28, 2000 03:40 AM
paul borreson or ian harrison would not happen to be the author? do they actually have studies to back up those claims? I am not trying to be critical, I am just curious lets put it this way- does the book even mention the fact that DECA is a progestin? does it claim that deca aromatizes?- which it most certainly does not. these are important questions becuase books are falliable, especially if one of those two is the author. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Mudworx Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted March 28, 2000 03:54 AM
I am not sure about the author. I have never read that Deca is a progestin (does this word relate to "progesterone", the female hormone?) and I am well aware that Deca does aromatise at high doses, as suggested in numerous reliable internet souces & printed literature. IP: Logged |
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Joseph_stalin Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 325) |
posted March 28, 2000 04:04 AM
i read in a medical journal that deca has a 2.5:1 anabolic/androgenic ratio. the journal was "review of medical pharmacology" by Meyers, Jawetz & Goldfien. 1970, 2nd edition. but to be fair, this same review said anabol was the generic name for methandroil dipropionate. and it isn't. anabol is methandrostenelone. methandroil dipropionate is denkadoil. the same review said halo had a 1:1 anabolic/androgenic ratio and that anadrol has a 2.5:1 anabolic/androgenic ratio, the same as deca. so i am not sure how right the info is. the book was the 1970 edition. IP: Logged |
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Mudworx Amateur Bodybuilder (Total posts: 31) |
posted March 28, 2000 05:16 AM
mmm... that does sound a little suspect. If I remember Chemical Warfare correctly, Halotestin was quoted as having an anabolic to androgenic ratio of 1.5:1 and Anadrol also being a borderline androgen at 2:1. D'bol was quoted at 3:1, with Deca and Winstrol at 6:1, Primobolan at 9:1 and Anavar and Equipoise at 13:1. I must add that of everything I have read, Chemical Warfare seems the most scientifically sound. It is written by a bodybuilder who is also a pharmacologist, and most importantly, what he writes makes common sense and conforms with my experience! IP: Logged |
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Joseph_stalin Pro Bodybuilder (Total posts: 325) |
posted March 28, 2000 07:48 AM
my book was generalized. it has basically all drugs in it. IP: Logged |
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