I am not old (still under 30), but I consider myself somewhat of a veteran of the game. What pisses me off the most about when I was young was the bullshit that other people who hadn't been in the game long enough would say or the lies the pros would tell when asked direct questions about their personal usage.

Here are a few observations (I will not call them medical facts because they only pertain to a small group of test subjects), but they are from the heart and personal experience.

1. national competitors use year round. When the dosage drops below 1000mgs, this is considered off. The only thing that forces a 'pro' completely off is getting busted or running out of money.

2. it IS possible to maintain a relatively good percentage of your size while off (or around 500mgs a week).

3. in order to visibly observe new growth levels or hit new strength peaks, it seems that this always occurs while on a high dosage cycle.

4. people always lie to others about their dosages, especially those that are NOT competing at a national level. My guess as to why this is, is because they are afraid that it would somehow diminish their accomplishments if other people could just chalk it up to high dosages.

5. females don't know shit about AS dosages. They are RARELY willing to do the same shit or pollute their body with the sheer volume that men do because it would cause way TOO many VISIBLE side-effects in their bodies. Maybe they are smarter in terms of health, but they are obviously not even close to being in the same competitive league as men, so don't even bother to listen to what they have to say on the subject.

This may be a sobering post to some of you who are hoping that you can become truly competitive whilst still maintaining a health-conscious approach to gear usage.

Forget about it. It is definitely possible to grow, improve yourself in ways beyond natural means, etc... but DON'T kid yourself that you will ever be a MASS-MONSTER or a National competitor unless you are willing to abuse the crap out of your body.

And just for the record: bodybuilders make powerlifters look like health fanatics when it comes to abusing drugs

Peace.
Squatlord.

Heh..heh..heh.
WCP

My best friend (died in car accident last a year ago) was here in my country win twice +90 kg at national level (best in whole country).
I know his dosages, I worked with him at Prague best night club, so I know when he was OFF it was something like 20 Naposim and Omnadren + Sustanon EOD. In cycle it was like 7 Oxymetholone ED, etc...

But always anybody ask him about dosages, he told just max. 3 Sustanon a week.

However the bit about most females don't know shit about roids. To use this as a reason why they are not doing the same as the men is not correct.

On a recent TV program over here a Top male amateur who was quite open about what was going on in bodybuilding said he knows women who are using five times the amount of steroids he is using.

thanks buddy

J

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1.) They make money endorsing legit products.
2.) They do not want to incriminate themselves.
3.) They do not want idiots using gear uninformed.
4.) They know if they did, boards like this would be flooded with 100X the morons it has now.

And of course the main reason they don't admit steroid use, BECAUSE STEROIDS IN THE US ARE ILLEGAL.

Pro's have rights (you know, that pesky 5th amendment?) just like everyone else in the US.

If it pisses you off that you were naive (and we all were/are), then take it as one of life's little lessons and learn from it.

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I think you miss the point of my post. Many people seem to want to justify their roid use, naively hoping they can get just as big or strong as a pro with casual gear usage, and there are plenty of people (pros included) who will tell them that they can.

Also, there is NO difference legally in telling someone you take 3 sust per week versus 3 grams of test (when you're off).

It's still illegal so why lie about it just a little. Might as well say 'never touch the stuff' or 'mind your own fucking business pipsqueak'. I think the mini-truths they tell are more misinforming.

This board is not filled with morons from my observations, just from people who really want to know what's going on.

Oh no bro, I wasn't aiming at ya, but I hear the same stuff from tons of folks here.

But I got yer twist on it, and it makes sense. If you're going to admit it, admit the whole damn thing, actual dosages etc.

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hey "beenaroundalongtime", you think u can make that into doses instead of how many they go through, thats if u can, id be interested, thanks bud

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LAte

Most of the people on this board only want to know the truth. It is then up to the individual to deside what they want to do next.

I'm sure you guy's have read in the magazines some bodybuilding know it all repeat the phrase "bodybuilding is 80% diet 10% Training and 10% Drugs".

How the f**k do they come up with these percentages?

If you where to relate these percentages to the amount of money spent on each of the aspects above, you would find a completely different picture.

Probably more likely 80% spent on drugs 10% spent on training and 10% on food.

Most guy's here will have heard that the typical yearly drugs bill for a top male pro is around $100,000. If this is so then any f**k wit can see that drugs play a bigger part than just 10%.

Oh and Warlobo:

One heavy weight female pro told me it costs her $2000 per month just to stay where she is and she spends $600 of that on food!!!!!

So where does the other $1400 go?

To paint her nails!!!

What do you guy's think the percentages should be?

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Originally posted by beenaroundalongtime:
i agree all pros stay on close to year round with 2-3 week breathers, close to the same with national level. when i speak i speak of bbing. as far as females not knowing shit maybe as a whole but not all of them some are slightly knowledgable. the problem is th BLING LEADING THE BLIND some dork as from the gym who does 2 sust a week to wear a tight t-shirt to a club starts trying to help a female compete. like that 1 guy posted a fitness girl doing sust? come on who would even sell it to her but an ass.
ok you guys wanna see a national level cycle well it normally lasts 18 weeks just after a 4 week breather almost evenly divided 9 weeks bulk 9 weeks cutting
60 sust *60 mg??"
30 deca *30 mg?*
100cc eg *what is eg? LOL"
700 dbol *Uh, uh?*
30 primo *I will not continue this pattern*
60cc win v
60cc test susp
600 anavar
100 proviron 30 arimidex
30 nolv
100 clen
100 fina pellet
6 boxes of gh
all for a trophy if your lucky what a great sport.
the money the stress the dedication the discipline
and basically its an illegal sport sometimes i ask myself what the hell
all b/c some skinny geeky guy has insecurity issues and wants a political office he uses my sport as a platform to get elected or pass a bill so now a/s are a scheduled drug.

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that "typical national level cycle" is written like a 50 year old betty that is trying to pretend like she actually knows something or is pathetically trying to dissuade AS use. look dude the dosages aren't even close to being slightly feasable, "600 anavar" WTF? etc. etc. WTF?

you don't know what your talking about, you may have a point, but you don't know what your talking about.

instead of jumping on the bandwagon and whooo-hoooing you like everyone else I call bluff.

you do have a point as I stated but do you think shawn ray would still be alive if he trashed his body that badly? there are alot of other good examples (and twice as many bad ones)

bodybuilding is what you want it to be for yourself. don't shit on peoples aspirations.

Most bodybuilders getting ready for a contest will take at least 20 per day.

But we are not talking about your standard none competitive bodybuilder here. We are talking about the guy's who claim they are the size they are because they eat 10,000 calories per day - bullshit.

Even Tom Prince said he eats at most 4000 calories per day. Dorian said "these guys who claim to eat 10,000 calories per day must have the intestines of an elephant to be able to digest all that food".

Basically there is a limit to how far food training drugs and genetics can take you, after that mega doses of drugs are the main factor.

So naturals do not count, hehehehe.

At least there is a guy named Squat telling the truth.

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Jeff