I did sust & primo for my first cycle...tapered of with primo for 4 weeks @ 300mg per week. I lost only like 4-5 lbs of my 30lbs of tissue..it was successful and did not do clomid. I hardly lost anything, fucked like a rabbit throughout and after and had #0 problems with anything. My friend told me not to bother with the clomid because I only did 250mg sust a week for 8 weeks...I don't think this works for everyone and I could have taken the precautions but tried otherwise and I was fine. This is just my opinion, letting you know that I used primo after sust an it works for me....

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Originally posted by Jback:
Rom I almost forgot-you didn't do clomid or HCG either-the first chapter in your book should be how to have your body magically jumpstart its HPTA test without any aids-you didn't find that the whole crashing thing was a problem-oh yeah you only lost 4lbs right.

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Do you know me ? Keep your lip sealed otherwise...seems to be lots of young jerks like you here...which is why I hardly post.
The difference between me and you is that you probably look like you do roids and I don't... but I've done them.... Are you more knowledgable with them..? I hope so because I'm not. If I was, I wouldn't be here...I don't want to talk about this shit all day long. I train for me not to keep strangers like you updated on how many drugs I can stick in my ass. Do I like BB's..not particularily, but I do for the 1 1/2 hours that I train for in the gym 6 days a week. And I really enjoy this board because of info & the very select people who I find interesting...& knowledgable. I read the board alot with only minor small questions to post about gear. Another reason for my gains I was told I was naturally stronger than average. You're probably only strong when on the gear and I'm not, but I'm stronger on it for sure...my 3rd week of sust and I was suprized. Everyday (except some) I go to the gym and do more weight than almost every guy my size by far and keep up with the guys doing juice at my weight and sometimes above. I see huge guys who can't even squat 250lbs..I can easily. My partner weighs 210, he's not 250 but he's pretty damn muscular. He can barely do 20 plates on leg press and he's on serious gear..I can do 24 plates for a set of 6....ON NOTHING !! just on this ultimate orange drink that gets me all bugged out and tastes like liquid aspirin. Here's where I'm lucky. THe thing is that my dad is built, my 20 year old brother is built and almost stronger than I am which I hate , my dads brothers are built, my mom has abs, and my moms side is muscular.. If you ask me thats a pretty good genetic background. Call me a liar if you want...I don't care that much, I know the truth, but I care enough to respond to someone like you and let you know that not all men/woman are created equal.
I leave my success on gaining on my ability to have an insanely strict eating routine which has been a couple years, family of good genetics and the cycle I did obviously helped with the great pounds I gained. My girlfriend calls me a granola because I eat so clean & try to eat almost perfectly and train even harder.Do I think my eating habits are part of my success..that's a big hell yes.

Alls I'm saying here is if you don't have good luck with training like I do, don't bitch about it to me. You've had attitude and doubts twice in this thread alone and on others about people..don't come to me because of jelousy..you seem to be all stocked up...screw off !