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 What Cycles the Pro's really do.
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 229 |
Bro's, There is a girl who has just joined my gym who has a couple of UK titles Im not saying any names yet though. I asked her for help on mt diet as it is a little crap at the moment. We got chatting (hour or so) And she asked me about my Suplimentation as she put it i told her what i was doing and she was very shocked. She explained that i should never need to go near a 1000mg's of anything for about 4 years of AS use. She then explained that your diet is the main key to your gains also the time you eat during the day is crucial. I asked if she knew what some men where dong as regards to cycles go and she said that they hardly do higher than 750mg's per week and she said that is a really high dose. This is probably why pro's are pros because they are so good with there diet and use as little gear as possible to obtain there results. And amature's megadose and fuck themself's up. I dont know if any of you can remember the Lee Priest interview when he said he used about 400mg of deca per week. its starting to make sense to me 2THICK will back me up on this if your having to take 800mg + your wasting your money time and effort. How much test do we have floating round our body's when we are natrual about 8mg to 10mg now we shove in 250mg's a week thats over 24 times more test than we would normally have in our system. People still make gains with no AS use and a very strict diet but people who do small amounts of AS with a really good diet put on a shitload more. I cant remember who it was but somone posted that its amazeing how much more mass they put on when they eat clean. So if your haveing to use 2000mg's to put on those 7lbs in LBM after about 5 to 7 cycles you may want to look at your sleep, diet and traning as you may be making the mistake i did of useing high doses to get good gains because your diet is not bang on. You can flame me if you want but im gonna go back to 250mg of sust with 100mg deca on my next cycle and make sure my diet is bang on. AS will help your gains but you will only see the results when your rest training and diet are golden. each to there own but this should really be looked into deeply by everyone. My source is huge and his last cycle was 400mg of deca and 2 D'bol a day for 4 weeks and he put on 3lbs in LBM. He has been using for about 2 years and he is doing little doses like that. Makes you wonder what we are all doing pumping ourselfs with 1000mg to 2000mg a week its mad...! ------------------     | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 34 |
makes sense to me..... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 273 |
Good one M1KAI, it's good to see someone finaly posting some reasonable doses for once. I agree that the doses that alot of people on this board do are just crazy, hopefully this'll educate a few people. Good Post bro. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 47 |
if you talk about right food, write finally somebody a hour by hour one day plan what would be an ideal diet for 100 kg BB on juice
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Cool Novice
Posts: 12 |
Funny thing. I only gain muscle and strength when my diet is right on. I've been stronger at a lower bodyweight with less drugs when my diet was on for a contest. And in much better shape. You need the good food all the time. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 47 |
I agree, eating is not a luxury, it is a JOB. Pro's have their job - eating. On the other hand, do not tell me, that those monsters gain muscles on dosages like 500 mg/week. Nobody from them will tell you what he is using, and if you ask him how many pills of Dianabol he takes, do not be suprised if his answer is: "I do not know, I do not count it". How more you are bigger then your genetic is able to maintain without juice, that more juice you need to build up new muscles. Jan | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 229 |
Bro's, Im putting together a diet and will run it for a couple of weeks trail and error kinda thing and will see what happens Clair is gonna put a diet for me to follow for the next 4 weeks while im off. Then she is gonna put a cuttin diet together for me in may ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 208 |
M1KAI Jan is right no competing bodybuilder will tell you what they are using especially a female competitor. Diet is a big part of it, but no matter how damn good your diet is you are not going to make steroid like gains with food alone. Hormones are the most important thing for muscle growth, why? because they control so many things INCLUDING your DIGESTIVE SYSTEM. If your body is incapable of digesting and assimilating all this food you put into it, then it doesn't matter two F**ks how much or good the quality of the food is that you eat, it is not going to make you grow any faster. Period. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1014 |
Yep, bodybuilders don't usally talk about gear face to face. I will never admit to it, because its nobodys business, but mine and my wifes. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 23 |
in the end your body only has so many receptors you can overload, and as the dose goes superhigh the ratio of side effects to gains increases. M1KAI what part of the UK are you from? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 261 |
Pros use 500mg. a week-yeah maybe to bridge their cycles LOL!!!!If this logic were true,we would have thousands of people who look like pros(which we don't) I've said this before:I know many pros and what they take and its more like 10-20 D's a day on top of 2000mg test,1000mg Deca,100mg Winny ED(or more)This is being conseravtive!! Don't forget 10-20 ius of HGH per day!!I think its safe to say that most TOP pros spend 50-100,000 a yr on drugs.The sport itself really sucks! In the future we will see hundreds of medical problems because of crazy dosages. Personally I think you should do the SMALLEST dose possible for your goals.Yes 1500mg of test will make you bigger than 500mgs but what is the goal?? You couldn't pay me enough to be a pro!!Most of them are complete dicks anyway-I might be too if I was a walking 300lb androgen  Guys tend to think you are less of a BB if you tell people the REAL amount of gear they use.I could care less-I've done cycles like this:750-1250 test,30-50mg D bol,400mg Deca per week(tapering down) or Winny 50mg ED,750 test,and 4ius of HGH.If you ask I would tell you down to the mg.MANY guys take this x3!! To me its all about education.I don't think the body can use all 2000mg per week(at least safely) for too long-I value my health.There has to be others who feel the same way Diet is VERY critical to how you look-but it doesn't overshadow the HUGE amounts of gear it takes to look like the guys in the mags. My .02 J just ask AMP what he does and how much size it got him LOL!!! [This message has been edited by 1Mistake (edited March 28, 2001).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 111 |
The Pros have good genetics, no doubt about it, but if they work out like they say they do 2 x per day, plus cardio and they are dieting for a contest, they have to be on some serious gear just to RECOVER from the workouts. If they are not on much gear then I do not know how their muscles could recover so quickly. Just my .02 | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 2909 |
quote: Those two points are contradictions and both came from the same source. First no need to use 1000mgs for 4 years, followed by the pros hardly ever go above 750mgs. Dan Duchaine recommended that no need to use less than 1000mgs of test. The sides between 1000mgs and 250mgs are that different? No What is the problem then? Cost. I am not recommending that you do these doses but if you believe her when she says the pros hardly ever go above 750mgs of test then you are very naive. I know a British pro and have worked with him once or twice. 750mgs of test. She is a joke, no flame to you. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 208 |
1Mistake is right about the doses. I have talked to a Top male Pro who has been around a long time has competed against the likes of Dorian Yates and Lee Haney and he told me a 1000 mg's of Test per week is nothing. Also I have talked to a top female amateur who told me she has no doubt that the top women are using over 1000 mg's of Test per week. She also has been around a long time and has competed against the current Ms Olympia etc. However at their level they have Doctors monitoring their Hormone levels and have their chemical assistance down to a T. It is not so much the quantity of hormones but the hormone balance that is essential for muscle growth. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1432 |
Trust me, I have talked to many top pros over the years and 1g of test would be a minimum amount for most of these people (males at least). | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 35 |
Now I dont know how many of the people on the board personally know any pros or top NPC competitors. Well I do, and if you believe what that girl told you I have a nice bridge to sell you!!! My boy that won the Nationals and got his pro-card last year was taking 5grams of anabolics to get ready. All by the advice of another NJ Pro that we are both very close to. So as I do think that eating is a big part to say that 1000mgs is all a Pro or top NPC competitor takes is a HUGE JOKE!!!!!! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 614 |
I think it is naive for you to believe that pros will do the following 1. get implants in weak body parts 2. Inject massive amounts of posing oil daily into their muscles for swelling purposes 3. take daily gh and have their internal organs(including their heart) grow to be 3-4 times the size it should be 4. spend 60,000$/year on gh 5. Stay on thyroid drugs year round because there's is completely inactive 6. take insulin to break down carbs and accelerate protein and amino delivery-but only take 500mgs test/week and 400mg/decca-doesn't really make sense and is not consistent with the pattern of drug abuse most of us know to be true in the IFBB. ------------------ | ||
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Olympian 
Posts: 1541 |
I think you've been fed a nice hot pile of bull shit. Diet is indeed the most determining factor but 1000mg as is low for a top level competitor. And you don't have 24 times the amound of test if you use 250mg week...assuming it's sust. You have about 4. You have to take the release of the esters into account. There is no way in hell all the top level competitors are using 750mg of test. None of them talk about what they use so no one knows. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 47 |
that's the funniest shit I have ever heard!! Pro's don't go higher than 750mgs of test. lol Oh, I know-- they hold the secrets of the magic diet!! sort of like the KFC secret recipe!! lol anyway... bro, kinda I understand what you are going through. You are looking for ways to rationalize the amount of gear you use. it's ok. please let me know how you do on your next cycle. Also, post your diet that could be the real secret!!! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1231 |
The more the merrier!!!! ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 37 |
The pros are taking well over a 1000mgs of shit. I just got back from training with shawn ray and he told me that 1000mgs is below a normal dosage for a pro bodybuilder. Shawn says that he takes around 1000mgs of test a week. But look at him he only weighs about 230 in the offseason. Which isn't quite that big compared to Markus or Nasser. Why do you think they all leave in Southern California? Yeah the weather is a factor but what they are really doing done there is the Mexican Border. That's right. Shawn was telling me that he has a mule driver that brings across his gear. Also most of the pros sell anabolic steroids to locals in the gyms. For instance look at Paul Dillet he was just arrested earlier this year for cocaine. As you can tell by looking at the magazines the pros are taking more juice than the average npc competitor. Why because the pros can afford it. That is why the pros are so poor. Because they spend all their income on juice. Stay Hungry | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 110 |
I totaly agree with the statement about training and diet is key. On the other hand all that BS about pros not doing over 750mg of gear a week is crap and also that Lee P. only doing 400mg Deca with whatever else. Ok let me tell you that the pros are doing much more. My budy(supplied GH for some pros) spent a week with LP in his Venice apartment a few years ago and he told me he is the most insane when it comes to anabolics. He was taking somewhere in the neighborhood of 6000mg=6grams of gear a week. He also spent time with Nasser and he is prety crazy too. Mike Matarazzo lives here in my town and a few people he talks to know what he is taking and from what I hear its no joke. Just thought I'd share that and elighten you. Peace | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 542 |
BOTTOM LINE - NEVER TAKE MORE THAN YOU NEED TO KEEP GROWING. ITS A WASTE OF MONEY AND WILL ONLY BURN YOU OUT. EVERYTHING'S FINE UNTIL YOUR SO FUCKED UP NOT EVEN STAYING ON YEAR ROUND KEEPS YOU FROM GETTING DEPRESSED AND GOING CATABOLIC. I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH DAN, BUT FOR ME 1 GRAM OF TEST A WEEK IS WAY MORE THAN I NEED. I'M 26 AND AM STILL GETTING BIGGER AND STRONGER ON SMALLER DOSES. MY LAST CYCLE WAS 20MG/DAY D-BOL, 200MG/WEEK DECCA, AND 250MG/WEEK BUNK ASS LOEFFLER SUST THAT DIDN'T CONTRIBUTE SHIT. THIS CYCLE WAS 5 WEEKS AND I GAINED 10 LBS LEAN MUSCLE AND GREW STRONGER, WITH JUST D-BOL AND DECCA. THE CYCLE BEFORE THAT WAS 150MG TEST PROP/WEEK AND 225MG TEST CYP/WEEK - I GAINED OVER THIRTY POUNDS WITH THIS CYCLE, ABOUT 20 OF IT LEAN MUSCLE. I'M IN THIS FOR THE LONG HALL, BROS. IF I GAIN 40 LBS. OF LEAN MUSCLE THIS YEAR ALONE, THAT'S MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR ME. I'M NOT GONNA FRY MY BODY BECAUSE I'M IMPATIENT. SHIT, I WORKED OUT FOR 10 YEARS ALL NATURAL - I CAN GIVE MYSELF FIVE MORE TO GET WHERE I WANT TO BE. SORRY FOR THE LONG ASS REPLY ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 245 |
very good post. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 52 |
Pros are pros for a reason. bodybuilding can be compared to basketball and football. No one says Jordan was so great because of drugs. same goes for Barry Sanders. bottom line- these guys, just like ifbb pros have great genetics and bust their asses every day. no amount of drugs ALONE can make you a pro. otherwise 3/4 of the guys on this site would be. now, i'm not being ignorant and say the pros don't do high amounts cuz i'm sure they do, but one thing i noticed at this years arnold classic- the TOP pros show little outward side effects associated with rampant drug use. it was the no-name wannabe pros who had abcesses and zits all over their body and a nice sweating habit. good post m1kai. you make some good points. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 574 |
I swear, the low dose versus high dose argument never loses interest in my book. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 616 |
The average pro takes around a gram a day, this is info I have recieved from a bodybuilder that works with kevin levrone's trainer. He also said that alot of amatuers are doing more then pros...so its not all drugs, but it is an insane part of it. ------------------ |
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posted March 28, 2001 06:33 AM
