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 Using AS while using Clen/Cytomel = stupid
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, weight loss happens when you are in negative calories - it means when you are expending energy more than what you're eating. As long as you still have some nutrients in your body, you won't lose weight because the body doesn't have any reason yet to scavenge for energy. How can using AS while dieting keep your muscle? It just doesn't make any sense. The only way you can keep your muscle from wasting is if you have protein (nitrogen balance) in your body. But if you have protein in your body, you won't lose weight. Your body will break that down to amino acids, turn to pyruvate, enter the mitochondria, turn to acetyl coa, enters the citric cycle and then ends up as energy (ATP). In other words, the body will scavenge every possible nutrients it could find BEFORE it goes after stored fat and muscle tissues. You can't have protein to save your muscles and expect the body to bypass those reserves and ask it to get their energy from somewhere else. I'm probably missing something. Can anyone explain to me why people are giving advice to not use Cytomel and/or Clen by itself because you'll lose muscle mass? You'll lose muscle mass when you're dieting one way or the other. and I don't think you have any control at all to spare the muscle and just go for the fat. Need corrections, comments, and suggestions.     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1296 |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mask: [B]Correct me if I'm wrong, weight loss happens when you are in negative calories - it means when you are expending energy more than what you're eating. As long as you still have some nutrients in your body, you won't lose weight because the body doesn't have any reason yet to scavenge for energy. How can using AS while dieting keep your muscle? It just doesn't make any sense. The only way you can keep your muscle from wasting is if you have protein (nitrogen balance) in your body. But if you have protein in your body, you won't lose weight. Your body will break that down to amino acids, turn to pyruvate, enter the mitochondria, turn to acetyl coa, enters the citric cycle and then ends up as energy (ATP). In other words, the body will scavenge every possible nutrients it could find BEFORE it goes after stored fat and muscle tissues. You can't have protein to save your muscles and expect the body to bypass those reserves and ask it to get their energy from somewhere else. I'm probably missing something. Can anyone explain to me why people are giving advice to not use Cytomel and/or Clen by itself because you'll lose muscle mass? You'll lose muscle mass when you're dieting one way or the other. and I don't think you have any control at all to spare the muscle and just go for the fat. The only way you can reach the fat directly is to do aerobics, so your body gets constant supply of oxygen to oxidized the fatty acids to supply energy You're missing quite a bit of things. Steroids are anti-catabolic: they reduce protein breakdown. Result: less muscle loss while dieting. Clen: Activates Beta-2 receptors involved in protein synthesis. Result: more protein is synthesized, increasing nitrogen in the body. Therefore, again less muscle is lost while dieting. Ephedrine: Pretty much the same as Clen. T3: Its both good and bad. It works by increasing of prots/fats/carbs in the body. In other words it is catabolic to muscle because it works through proteolytic pathways. How to solve this? Add AS. They increase protein synthesis and nitrogen retention, therefore negating the proteolytic qualities of the T3. The bonus: the T3 increases the burning of fats/carbs too. Result: with AS+T3 you lose more fat faster without affecting muscle due to the addition of AS. Godspeed | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 140 |
You can't do protein synthesis if you don't have the amino acids in your body. If you do have them, then you're not in negative calories state and therefore you're not going to lose weight. When you're in negative calories state, your body is empty of any nutrients. This is when your body starts accessing muscle tissue and adipose tissue (fats) for energy and this leads to weight loss. How can you synthesis protein if you don't have anything to synthesize it from? It's not going to be magic where it synthesize out of nowhere. Let me put it this way. If you inject 500mg sustanon to an anorexic who eats nothing, would they keep that muscle at all? I don't even think it'll slow down his wasting. With these in mind, wouldn't it be better to just diet and save the AS for the buildup phase? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1094 |
I can't believe I'm even responding to this, but oh well. "When you're in negative calories state, your body is empty of any nutrients." This is really a dumb statement. Being in a negative calorie state means that you are burning more than you are eating. How does that make you "empty of any nutrients"? So if I eat an apple and have a protein drink, where do those nutrients go? And what you are talking about is starving, not dieting. You need to learn the difference between the two. Lowering your calories to around 500 below maintenance will NOT leave your body "empty of any nutrients." Jeez. Where the hell are you getting your information from? -TG | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 140 |
Ok then genius, give me the definition of what "diet" is. What is the exact mechanism that leads to losing weight? It leads back to what I just said. Losing weight IS catabolism and catabolism won't happen while you have calories to be burn for energy. The reason you are cutting your calories down by 500, is because you want to starve out your body by 500 kcal so it catabolize some of your fat/muscle and that leads to losing weight. [This message has been edited by Mask (edited March 27, 2001).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 54 |
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 32 |
Ok then bro, explain to me how I'm GAINING strength while on 400mg EQ/week for 10 weeks, T3 at 1111122222333334444455555444443333322222111111, and clen 7on/7off at 7tabs/day? Huh? I've lost approx 7.5 lbs in 3 weeks and am GAINING strength? Oh, I guess it's just genetics, or maybe water loss. Jesus Christ just because you're in negative calories everyday DOESN'T mean your body is completely in a catabolic state. I agree that being in a calorie deficit will cause your body to metabolize carbs/prots before fats BUT thats the whole damn reason you combine the 3. Actually you barely have to drop below maintenance to have fat loss while on clen/T3/AS. | ||
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Freak 
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I too am losing weight with t3 added to my cycle and my strength still increases. You body will feed itself even if new cals dont exsist. Gycogen stores, fat tissue, and muscle tissue. The body has many way to feed. ------------------ "Catch a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime." | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 206 |
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posted March 27, 2001 03:14 PM